Watching Anime, Reading Manga

[Chris Kuan]

Gilles Poitras <cowpunk@koyagi.com> wrote on Sun 17 Oct 2004 12:14:05a

> I just started reading Fred Patten's new book Watching Anime, Reading
> Manga: 25 Years of Essays and Reviews.

My bookshelf is starting to resemble your anime/manga bibliographies :-)

--
Chris
Concatenate for email: mrgazpacho @ hotmail . com

[Chris Kuan]

Gilles Poitras <cowpunk@koyagi.com> wrote on Sun 17 Oct 2004 12:14:05a

> I just started reading Fred Patten's new book Watching Anime, Reading
> Manga: 25 Years of Essays and Reviews.

My bookshelf is starting to resemble your anime/manga bibliographies :-)

--
Chris
Concatenate for email: mrgazpacho @ hotmail . com

[Gilles Poitras]

I just started reading Fred Patten's new book Watching Anime, Reading
Manga: 25 Years of Essays and Reviews.

Great stuff, in many ways a documentary snapshot of fandom in America.
Given the dramatic changes in availablilty and treatment of anime in the
US during that time this is a significant work for anyone interested in
popular culture.

I have meet Fred and several times we have done panels together at
conventions. At Fanime and few years ago we were introduced as the "Old
Guys" of anime fandom as we both have been fans since the mid 1970s. I
also found out Fred and I share a common career as we are both
librarians (he is retired).

[Gilles Poitras]

In article <Xns958582F9C1E8mrgazpachobigmailbox@218.100.2.58>,
Chris Kuan <look@sig.because.this.is.invalid> wrote:

> Gilles Poitras <cowpunk@koyagi.com> wrote on Sun 17 Oct 2004 12:14:05a
>
> > I just started reading Fred Patten's new book Watching Anime, Reading
> > Manga: 25 Years of Essays and Reviews.
>
> My bookshelf is starting to resemble your anime/manga bibliographies :-)

Just wait, I plan to update the bibiographies next year and to add a big
selection of works that I have found useful in writing the Anime
Companion volumes.

Volume 2 of the Anime Companion is almost ready to turn in to the
publisher, expect it out next year.

[Gilles Poitras]

In article <Xns958582F9C1E8mrgazpachobigmailbox@218.100.2.58>,
Chris Kuan <look@sig.because.this.is.invalid> wrote:

> Gilles Poitras <cowpunk@koyagi.com> wrote on Sun 17 Oct 2004 12:14:05a
>
> > I just started reading Fred Patten's new book Watching Anime, Reading
> > Manga: 25 Years of Essays and Reviews.
>
> My bookshelf is starting to resemble your anime/manga bibliographies :-)

Just wait, I plan to update the bibiographies next year and to add a big
selection of works that I have found useful in writing the Anime
Companion volumes.

Volume 2 of the Anime Companion is almost ready to turn in to the
publisher, expect it out next year.

[Ethan Hammond]

"Gilles Poitras" <cowpunk@koyagi.com> wrote in message
>
> Just wait, I plan to update the bibiographies next year and to add a big
> selection of works that I have found useful in writing the Anime
> Companion volumes.
>
> Volume 2 of the Anime Companion is almost ready to turn in to the
> publisher, expect it out next year.

I probably knew you were an author, but I had forgotten it.
That is awesome though and those are books I have actually
heard of so that makes it even better.

--
All Purpose Cultural Randomness
http://www.angelfire.com/tx/apcr/index.html

[Ethan Hammond]

"Gilles Poitras" <cowpunk@koyagi.com> wrote in message
>
> Just wait, I plan to update the bibiographies next year and to add a big
> selection of works that I have found useful in writing the Anime
> Companion volumes.
>
> Volume 2 of the Anime Companion is almost ready to turn in to the
> publisher, expect it out next year.

I probably knew you were an author, but I had forgotten it.
That is awesome though and those are books I have actually
heard of so that makes it even better.

--
All Purpose Cultural Randomness
http://www.angelfire.com/tx/apcr/index.html

[Inu-Yasha]

"Ethan Hammond" <eshammond@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:lhtcd.709796$Gx4.469833@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> "Gilles Poitras" <cowpunk@koyagi.com> wrote in message
> >
> > Just wait, I plan to update the bibiographies next year and to add a big
> > selection of works that I have found useful in writing the Anime
> > Companion volumes.
> >
> > Volume 2 of the Anime Companion is almost ready to turn in to the
> > publisher, expect it out next year.
>
> I probably knew you were an author, but I had forgotten it.
> That is awesome though and those are books I have actually
> heard of so that makes it even better.
>
> --
> All Purpose Cultural Randomness
> http://www.angelfire.com/tx/apcr/index.html
>
>
I actually have one, and Gilles if your follow-up is only half as good as
the first, it's worth twice the money. Please continue to give it your
best! ^_^

Inu-Yasha
Feh!!

[Inu-Yasha]

"Ethan Hammond" <eshammond@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:lhtcd.709796$Gx4.469833@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> "Gilles Poitras" <cowpunk@koyagi.com> wrote in message
> >
> > Just wait, I plan to update the bibiographies next year and to add a big
> > selection of works that I have found useful in writing the Anime
> > Companion volumes.
> >
> > Volume 2 of the Anime Companion is almost ready to turn in to the
> > publisher, expect it out next year.
>
> I probably knew you were an author, but I had forgotten it.
> That is awesome though and those are books I have actually
> heard of so that makes it even better.
>
> --
> All Purpose Cultural Randomness
> http://www.angelfire.com/tx/apcr/index.html
>
>
I actually have one, and Gilles if your follow-up is only half as good as
the first, it's worth twice the money. Please continue to give it your
best! ^_^

Inu-Yasha
Feh!!

[Gilles Poitras]

In article <4_wcd.6126$1f.4953@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>,
"Inu-Yasha" <tjardine@cfl.rr.com> wrote:


> I actually have one, and Gilles if your follow-up is only half as good as
> the first, it's worth twice the money. Please continue to give it your
> best! ^_^

Thanks.

It will be very different given the large number of historical based
anime that have come out. When I did volume one there was one anime in
the Bakumatsu, Daggar of Kamui, and one short anime in the Meiji.

I of course will be including all the foods I can. I have my priorities
after all.

[Gilles Poitras]

In article <4_wcd.6126$1f.4953@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>,
"Inu-Yasha" <tjardine@cfl.rr.com> wrote:


> I actually have one, and Gilles if your follow-up is only half as good as
> the first, it's worth twice the money. Please continue to give it your
> best! ^_^

Thanks.

It will be very different given the large number of historical based
anime that have come out. When I did volume one there was one anime in
the Bakumatsu, Daggar of Kamui, and one short anime in the Meiji.

I of course will be including all the foods I can. I have my priorities
after all.

[Gilles Poitras]

I have started reading Watching Anime, Reading Manga and it's is very
informative. There are so many things I did not know about that are in
the book. In many ways it is a snapshot of the development of fandom in
America.

[Gilles Poitras]

I have started reading Watching Anime, Reading Manga and it's is very
informative. There are so many things I did not know about that are in
the book. In many ways it is a snapshot of the development of fandom in
America.

[Robert Sneddon]

In article <cowpunk-87E65D.10302517102004@news1.west.earthlink.net>,
Gilles Poitras <cowpunk@koyagi.com> writes

>It will be very different given the large number of historical based
>anime that have come out. When I did volume one there was one anime in
>the Bakumatsu, Daggar of Kamui, and one short anime in the Meiji.

So where are you going to put Hikaru no Go then?

>I of course will be including all the foods I can. I have my priorities
>after all.

Ah, recipes. Have you read the Barry Hughart "Bridge of Birds" books
yet? I've always thought they would make a great historical fantasy
anime series.
--
Email me via nojay (at) nojay (dot) fsnet (dot) co (dot) uk
This address no longer accepts HTML posts.

Robert Sneddon

[Robert Sneddon]

In article <cowpunk-87E65D.10302517102004@news1.west.earthlink.net>,
Gilles Poitras <cowpunk@koyagi.com> writes

>It will be very different given the large number of historical based
>anime that have come out. When I did volume one there was one anime in
>the Bakumatsu, Daggar of Kamui, and one short anime in the Meiji.

So where are you going to put Hikaru no Go then?

>I of course will be including all the foods I can. I have my priorities
>after all.

Ah, recipes. Have you read the Barry Hughart "Bridge of Birds" books
yet? I've always thought they would make a great historical fantasy
anime series.
--
Email me via nojay (at) nojay (dot) fsnet (dot) co (dot) uk
This address no longer accepts HTML posts.

Robert Sneddon

[S.t.A.n.L.e.E]

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004, Inu-Yasha wrote:

>
> "Ethan Hammond" <eshammond@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:lhtcd.709796$Gx4.469833@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > "Gilles Poitras" <cowpunk@koyagi.com> wrote in message
> > >
> > > Just wait, I plan to update the bibiographies next year and to add a big
> > > selection of works that I have found useful in writing the Anime
> > > Companion volumes.
> > >
> > > Volume 2 of the Anime Companion is almost ready to turn in to the
> > > publisher, expect it out next year.
> >
> > I probably knew you were an author, but I had forgotten it.
> > That is awesome though and those are books I have actually
> > heard of so that makes it even better.
> >
> I actually have one, and Gilles if your follow-up is only half as good as
> the first, it's worth twice the money. Please continue to give it your
> best! ^_^
>

A long time ago before any possibility of an anime book
being published in the US, I once printed out
his whole companion website... lots and lots of pages
(on the univ's printer and paper expense, of course ^_^; ).

I had my reasons for a handy hard copy within reach,
including the computers and Net connection weren't as fast then,
no ready access to the Net all the time...
I was bored and the only one in the lab room. ^_^

Laters. =)

STan
--
_______ ________ _______ ____ ___ ___ ______ ______
| __|__ __| _ | \ | | | | _____| _____|
|__ | | | | _ | |\ | |___| ____|| ____|
|_______| |__| |__| |__|___| \ ___|_______|______|______|
__| | ( )
/ _ | |/ LostRune+sig [at] UofR [dot] net
| ( _| | http://www.uofr.net/~lostrune/
\ ______| _______ ____ ___
/ \ / \ | _ | \ | |
/ \/ \| _ | |\ |
/___/\/\___|__| |__|___| \ ___|

[S.t.A.n.L.e.E]

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004, Inu-Yasha wrote:

>
> "Ethan Hammond" <eshammond@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:lhtcd.709796$Gx4.469833@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > "Gilles Poitras" <cowpunk@koyagi.com> wrote in message
> > >
> > > Just wait, I plan to update the bibiographies next year and to add a big
> > > selection of works that I have found useful in writing the Anime
> > > Companion volumes.
> > >
> > > Volume 2 of the Anime Companion is almost ready to turn in to the
> > > publisher, expect it out next year.
> >
> > I probably knew you were an author, but I had forgotten it.
> > That is awesome though and those are books I have actually
> > heard of so that makes it even better.
> >
> I actually have one, and Gilles if your follow-up is only half as good as
> the first, it's worth twice the money. Please continue to give it your
> best! ^_^
>

A long time ago before any possibility of an anime book
being published in the US, I once printed out
his whole companion website... lots and lots of pages
(on the univ's printer and paper expense, of course ^_^; ).

I had my reasons for a handy hard copy within reach,
including the computers and Net connection weren't as fast then,
no ready access to the Net all the time...
I was bored and the only one in the lab room. ^_^

Laters. =)

STan
--
_______ ________ _______ ____ ___ ___ ______ ______
| __|__ __| _ | \ | | | | _____| _____|
|__ | | | | _ | |\ | |___| ____|| ____|
|_______| |__| |__| |__|___| \ ___|_______|______|______|
__| | ( )
/ _ | |/ LostRune+sig [at] UofR [dot] net
| ( _| | http://www.uofr.net/~lostrune/
\ ______| _______ ____ ___
/ \ / \ | _ | \ | |
/ \/ \| _ | |\ |
/___/\/\___|__| |__|___| \ ___|

[Ethan Hammond]

"Inu-Yasha" <tjardine@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
>
> I actually have one, and Gilles if your follow-up is only half as good as
> the first, it's worth twice the money. Please continue to give it your
> best! ^_^

Hurray for the praise and the desire to spend a twofold amount
of money!!!!

--
All Purpose Cultural Randomness
http://www.angelfire.com/tx/apcr/index.html

[Ethan Hammond]

"Inu-Yasha" <tjardine@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
>
> I actually have one, and Gilles if your follow-up is only half as good as
> the first, it's worth twice the money. Please continue to give it your
> best! ^_^

Hurray for the praise and the desire to spend a twofold amount
of money!!!!

--
All Purpose Cultural Randomness
http://www.angelfire.com/tx/apcr/index.html

[Ethan Hammond]

"S.t.A.n.L.e.E" <LostRune+NGs@UofR.SlamSpam.net> wrote in message
>
> A long time ago before any possibility of an anime book
> being published in the US, I once printed out
> his whole companion website... lots and lots of pages
> (on the univ's printer and paper expense, of course ^_^; ).

I remember those days when a person would use Alta Vista
and search for anime, rather than an individual title and come
up with hundreds of results. There was no Google yet, no IE.
It was an innocent time. *sighs*

> I had my reasons for a handy hard copy within reach,
> including the computers and Net connection weren't as fast then,
> no ready access to the Net all the time...
> I was bored and the only one in the lab room. ^_^

And that is why you can't print things for free at colleges anymore.

--
All Purpose Cultural Randomness
http://www.angelfire.com/tx/apcr/index.html

[Ethan Hammond]

"S.t.A.n.L.e.E" <LostRune+NGs@UofR.SlamSpam.net> wrote in message
>
> A long time ago before any possibility of an anime book
> being published in the US, I once printed out
> his whole companion website... lots and lots of pages
> (on the univ's printer and paper expense, of course ^_^; ).

I remember those days when a person would use Alta Vista
and search for anime, rather than an individual title and come
up with hundreds of results. There was no Google yet, no IE.
It was an innocent time. *sighs*

> I had my reasons for a handy hard copy within reach,
> including the computers and Net connection weren't as fast then,
> no ready access to the Net all the time...
> I was bored and the only one in the lab room. ^_^

And that is why you can't print things for free at colleges anymore.

--
All Purpose Cultural Randomness
http://www.angelfire.com/tx/apcr/index.html

[Gilles Poitras]

In article <cJhquEB$ytcBFwMM@nojay.fsnet.co.uk>,
Robert Sneddon <nojay@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> So where are you going to put Hikaru no Go then?

There will be a few items from it in v.2.

Go itself was already mentioned in v.1.

> Ah, recipes.

Nope just descriptions.

> Have you read the Barry Hughart "Bridge of Birds" books
> yet? I've always thought they would make a great historical fantasy
> anime series.

I think I read the first one ages ago but none of the others.

[Gilles Poitras]

In article <cJhquEB$ytcBFwMM@nojay.fsnet.co.uk>,
Robert Sneddon <nojay@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> So where are you going to put Hikaru no Go then?

There will be a few items from it in v.2.

Go itself was already mentioned in v.1.

> Ah, recipes.

Nope just descriptions.

> Have you read the Barry Hughart "Bridge of Birds" books
> yet? I've always thought they would make a great historical fantasy
> anime series.

I think I read the first one ages ago but none of the others.

[Inu-Yasha]

"Ethan Hammond" <eshammond@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:Qo5dd.10902$OD2.3525@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> "Inu-Yasha" <tjardine@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> >
> > I actually have one, and Gilles if your follow-up is only half as good
as
> > the first, it's worth twice the money. Please continue to give it your
> > best! ^_^
>
> Hurray for the praise and the desire to spend a twofold amount
> of money!!!!
>
> --
> All Purpose Cultural Randomness
> http://www.angelfire.com/tx/apcr/index.html
>
>
Now if only I live up to the promise, I got his first book as a birthday
gift. ^_^;

Inu-Yasha
Feh!!

[Inu-Yasha]

"Ethan Hammond" <eshammond@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:Qo5dd.10902$OD2.3525@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> "Inu-Yasha" <tjardine@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> >
> > I actually have one, and Gilles if your follow-up is only half as good
as
> > the first, it's worth twice the money. Please continue to give it your
> > best! ^_^
>
> Hurray for the praise and the desire to spend a twofold amount
> of money!!!!
>
> --
> All Purpose Cultural Randomness
> http://www.angelfire.com/tx/apcr/index.html
>
>
Now if only I live up to the promise, I got his first book as a birthday
gift. ^_^;

Inu-Yasha
Feh!!

[Ping Kuo]

In article <cowpunk-EC3D42.07131916102004@news1.west.earthlink.net>,
Gilles Poitras <cowpunk@koyagi.com> wrote:

> I have meet Fred and several times we have done panels together at
> conventions. At Fanime and few years ago we were introduced as the "Old
> Guys" of anime fandom as we both have been fans since the mid 1970s. I
> also found out Fred and I share a common career as we are both
> librarians (he is retired).

I shall hope so, sjpl catalogue list him as

Patten, Fred 1940-

btw, just realize why I can't find your books easily, library instead of
putting them in the regular non-fictions, are putting them in the young
adult non-fictions.

[Ping Kuo]

In article <cowpunk-EC3D42.07131916102004@news1.west.earthlink.net>,
Gilles Poitras <cowpunk@koyagi.com> wrote:

> I have meet Fred and several times we have done panels together at
> conventions. At Fanime and few years ago we were introduced as the "Old
> Guys" of anime fandom as we both have been fans since the mid 1970s. I
> also found out Fred and I share a common career as we are both
> librarians (he is retired).

I shall hope so, sjpl catalogue list him as

Patten, Fred 1940-

btw, just realize why I can't find your books easily, library instead of
putting them in the regular non-fictions, are putting them in the young
adult non-fictions.

[S.t.A.n.L.e.E]

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Ethan Hammond wrote:

> "S.t.A.n.L.e.E" <LostRune+NGs@UofR.SlamSpam.net> wrote in message
> >
> > A long time ago before any possibility of an anime book
> > being published in the US, I once printed out
> > his whole companion website... lots and lots of pages
> > (on the univ's printer and paper expense, of course ^_^; ).
>
> I remember those days when a person would use Alta Vista
> and search for anime, rather than an individual title and come
> up with hundreds of results. There was no Google yet, no IE.
> It was an innocent time. *sighs*
>
> > I had my reasons for a handy hard copy within reach,
> > including the computers and Net connection weren't as fast then,
> > no ready access to the Net all the time...
> > I was bored and the only one in the lab room. ^_^
>
> And that is why you can't print things for free at colleges anymore.
>

What's funny was that I was an undergrad in a grad lab;
yet people there think I was the student in-charge of it.
(There's always supposed to be one, but sometimes no one.)
Maybe because I seemed to know what I was doing in the computer,
know how to set and unjam the printer and where to get paper,
and sometimes use the phone there.
So, nobody questioned what I was doing. ^_^

Laters. =)

STan
--
_______ ________ _______ ____ ___ ___ ______ ______
| __|__ __| _ | \ | | | | _____| _____|
|__ | | | | _ | |\ | |___| ____|| ____|
|_______| |__| |__| |__|___| \ ___|_______|______|______|
__| | ( )
/ _ | |/ LostRune+sig [at] UofR [dot] net
| ( _| | http://www.uofr.net/~lostrune/
\ ______| _______ ____ ___
/ \ / \ | _ | \ | |
/ \/ \| _ | |\ |
/___/\/\___|__| |__|___| \ ___|

[S.t.A.n.L.e.E]

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Ethan Hammond wrote:

> "S.t.A.n.L.e.E" <LostRune+NGs@UofR.SlamSpam.net> wrote in message
> >
> > A long time ago before any possibility of an anime book
> > being published in the US, I once printed out
> > his whole companion website... lots and lots of pages
> > (on the univ's printer and paper expense, of course ^_^; ).
>
> I remember those days when a person would use Alta Vista
> and search for anime, rather than an individual title and come
> up with hundreds of results. There was no Google yet, no IE.
> It was an innocent time. *sighs*
>
> > I had my reasons for a handy hard copy within reach,
> > including the computers and Net connection weren't as fast then,
> > no ready access to the Net all the time...
> > I was bored and the only one in the lab room. ^_^
>
> And that is why you can't print things for free at colleges anymore.
>

What's funny was that I was an undergrad in a grad lab;
yet people there think I was the student in-charge of it.
(There's always supposed to be one, but sometimes no one.)
Maybe because I seemed to know what I was doing in the computer,
know how to set and unjam the printer and where to get paper,
and sometimes use the phone there.
So, nobody questioned what I was doing. ^_^

Laters. =)

STan
--
_______ ________ _______ ____ ___ ___ ______ ______
| __|__ __| _ | \ | | | | _____| _____|
|__ | | | | _ | |\ | |___| ____|| ____|
|_______| |__| |__| |__|___| \ ___|_______|______|______|
__| | ( )
/ _ | |/ LostRune+sig [at] UofR [dot] net
| ( _| | http://www.uofr.net/~lostrune/
\ ______| _______ ____ ___
/ \ / \ | _ | \ | |
/ \/ \| _ | |\ |
/___/\/\___|__| |__|___| \ ___|

[Ethan Hammond]

"S.t.A.n.L.e.E" <LostRune+NGs@UofR.SlamSpam.net> wrote in message
>
> What's funny was that I was an undergrad in a grad lab;
> yet people there think I was the student in-charge of it.
> (There's always supposed to be one, but sometimes no one.)
> Maybe because I seemed to know what I was doing in the computer,
> know how to set and unjam the printer and where to get paper,
> and sometimes use the phone there.
> So, nobody questioned what I was doing. ^_^

Heh, how sad but good for you.

--
All Purpose Cultural Randomness
http://www.angelfire.com/tx/apcr/index.html

[Ethan Hammond]

"S.t.A.n.L.e.E" <LostRune+NGs@UofR.SlamSpam.net> wrote in message
>
> What's funny was that I was an undergrad in a grad lab;
> yet people there think I was the student in-charge of it.
> (There's always supposed to be one, but sometimes no one.)
> Maybe because I seemed to know what I was doing in the computer,
> know how to set and unjam the printer and where to get paper,
> and sometimes use the phone there.
> So, nobody questioned what I was doing. ^_^

Heh, how sad but good for you.

--
All Purpose Cultural Randomness
http://www.angelfire.com/tx/apcr/index.html