Meganekko page - playing with stylesheets

[Rob Kelk]

I'm finally getting to the point where there's plenty of content, and I
should care about how "pretty" the webpage is. Does the new layout look
good, or should I be tweaking the stylesheet some more? (If the latter,
please tell me what's wrong with the layout and what browser you're
using. I use Mozilla 1.7.3, so I know it looks good on that...)

<http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/meganekko/index.html>

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[Rob Kelk]

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 19:49:13 -0400, I wrote:

>I'm finally getting to the point where there's plenty of content, and I
>should care about how "pretty" the webpage is. Does the new layout look
>good, or should I be tweaking the stylesheet some more? (If the latter,
>please tell me what's wrong with the layout and what browser you're
>using. I use Mozilla 1.7.3, so I know it looks good on that...)
>
><http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/meganekko/index.html>

Chika informs me that the pages are pretty good in NetSurf, but do not
show at all well in Oregano. Good to know that I have to fix that or
else I'm shutting out a fair chunk of Mac users...

So, what do they look like in IE? (I don't run that browser at all.)

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"When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear of
childishness and the desire to be very grown-up." - C.S. Lewis, 1947

[Rob Kelk]

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 19:49:13 -0400, I wrote:

>I'm finally getting to the point where there's plenty of content, and I
>should care about how "pretty" the webpage is. Does the new layout look
>good, or should I be tweaking the stylesheet some more? (If the latter,
>please tell me what's wrong with the layout and what browser you're
>using. I use Mozilla 1.7.3, so I know it looks good on that...)
>
><http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/meganekko/index.html>

Chika informs me that the pages are pretty good in NetSurf, but do not
show at all well in Oregano. Good to know that I have to fix that or
else I'm shutting out a fair chunk of Mac users...

So, what do they look like in IE? (I don't run that browser at all.)

--
Rob Kelk <http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/> robkelk -at- jksrv -dot- com
"I'm *not* a kid! Nyyyeaaah!" - Skuld (in "Oh My Goddess!" OAV #3)
"When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear of
childishness and the desire to be very grown-up." - C.S. Lewis, 1947

[K. A. Pezzano]

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 21:48:14 -0400, Rob Kelk <robkelk@deadspam.com>
wrote:

>
>So, what do they look like in IE? (I don't run that browser at all.)

Looks fine to me in IE 6.

Am I not going to get a credit for writing a description for one of
the characters?

[K. A. Pezzano]

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 21:48:14 -0400, Rob Kelk <robkelk@deadspam.com>
wrote:

>
>So, what do they look like in IE? (I don't run that browser at all.)

Looks fine to me in IE 6.

Am I not going to get a credit for writing a description for one of
the characters?

[Abraham Evangelista (afedaken)]

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 21:04:34 -0500, K. A. Pezzano <blah@blahblah.net>
wrote:

>On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 21:48:14 -0400, Rob Kelk <robkelk@deadspam.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>So, what do they look like in IE? (I don't run that browser at all.)
>
>Looks fine to me in IE 6.
>
>Am I not going to get a credit for writing a description for one of
>the characters?

Passes the font resize test.

Doesn't break when I deliberately set the encoding incorrectly.

Doesn't break with images disabled.

Looks good from an IE6 Standpoint.



Not that it really matters, but you might be happy to know that it
works in Lynx too. :-)
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[Abraham Evangelista (afedaken)]

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 21:04:34 -0500, K. A. Pezzano <blah@blahblah.net>
wrote:

>On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 21:48:14 -0400, Rob Kelk <robkelk@deadspam.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>So, what do they look like in IE? (I don't run that browser at all.)
>
>Looks fine to me in IE 6.
>
>Am I not going to get a credit for writing a description for one of
>the characters?

Passes the font resize test.

Doesn't break when I deliberately set the encoding incorrectly.

Doesn't break with images disabled.

Looks good from an IE6 Standpoint.



Not that it really matters, but you might be happy to know that it
works in Lynx too. :-)
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[Malik]

"Rob Kelk" <robkelk@deadspam.com> wrote in message
news:q0rrl0d2q1iu8k2e1ernvdp89hneol26ih@4ax.com...
> I'm finally getting to the point where there's plenty of content, and I
> should care about how "pretty" the webpage is. Does the new layout look
> good, or should I be tweaking the stylesheet some more? (If the latter,
> please tell me what's wrong with the layout and what browser you're
> using. I use Mozilla 1.7.3, so I know it looks good on that...)
>
> <http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/meganekko/index.html>
>
> --


Rob, the layout is an improvement over the previous one, but I suggest that
you limit the number of images per page. This may help people with slow
connections, but not me as I am using a broadband connection.

-Malik

[Malik]

"Rob Kelk" <robkelk@deadspam.com> wrote in message
news:q0rrl0d2q1iu8k2e1ernvdp89hneol26ih@4ax.com...
> I'm finally getting to the point where there's plenty of content, and I
> should care about how "pretty" the webpage is. Does the new layout look
> good, or should I be tweaking the stylesheet some more? (If the latter,
> please tell me what's wrong with the layout and what browser you're
> using. I use Mozilla 1.7.3, so I know it looks good on that...)
>
> <http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/meganekko/index.html>
>
> --


Rob, the layout is an improvement over the previous one, but I suggest that
you limit the number of images per page. This may help people with slow
connections, but not me as I am using a broadband connection.

-Malik

[Captain Nerd]

In article <q0rrl0d2q1iu8k2e1ernvdp89hneol26ih@4ax.com>,
Rob Kelk <robkelk@deadspam.com> wrote:

> I'm finally getting to the point where there's plenty of content, and I
> should care about how "pretty" the webpage is. Does the new layout look
> good, or should I be tweaking the stylesheet some more? (If the latter,
> please tell me what's wrong with the layout and what browser you're
> using. I use Mozilla 1.7.3, so I know it looks good on that...)
>
> <http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/meganekko/index.html>

Works pretty good in Safari on Mac OS X.

Cap.

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[Captain Nerd]

In article <q0rrl0d2q1iu8k2e1ernvdp89hneol26ih@4ax.com>,
Rob Kelk <robkelk@deadspam.com> wrote:

> I'm finally getting to the point where there's plenty of content, and I
> should care about how "pretty" the webpage is. Does the new layout look
> good, or should I be tweaking the stylesheet some more? (If the latter,
> please tell me what's wrong with the layout and what browser you're
> using. I use Mozilla 1.7.3, so I know it looks good on that...)
>
> <http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/meganekko/index.html>

Works pretty good in Safari on Mac OS X.

Cap.

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[ender]

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 21:48:14 -0400, Rob Kelk wrote:

> So, what do they look like in IE? (I don't run that browser at all.)

I checked with mine, looks OK, though you may want to consider setting the
default font to sans-serif (not really a problem for me, as I normally use
Opera, and have the default font set to Verdana).

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[ender]

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 21:48:14 -0400, Rob Kelk wrote:

> So, what do they look like in IE? (I don't run that browser at all.)

I checked with mine, looks OK, though you may want to consider setting the
default font to sans-serif (not really a problem for me, as I normally use
Opera, and have the default font set to Verdana).

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[Ethan Hammond]

"Rob Kelk" <robkelk@deadspam.com> wrote in message
>
> I'm finally getting to the point where there's plenty of content, and I
> should care about how "pretty" the webpage is. Does the new layout look
> good, or should I be tweaking the stylesheet some more? (If the latter,
> please tell me what's wrong with the layout and what browser you're
> using. I use Mozilla 1.7.3, so I know it looks good on that...)
>
> <http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/meganekko/index.html>

It looks fine to me on lame old IE.

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[Ethan Hammond]

"Rob Kelk" <robkelk@deadspam.com> wrote in message
>
> I'm finally getting to the point where there's plenty of content, and I
> should care about how "pretty" the webpage is. Does the new layout look
> good, or should I be tweaking the stylesheet some more? (If the latter,
> please tell me what's wrong with the layout and what browser you're
> using. I use Mozilla 1.7.3, so I know it looks good on that...)
>
> <http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/meganekko/index.html>

It looks fine to me on lame old IE.

--
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http://www.angelfire.com/tx/apcr/index.html

[Dale]

Rob Kelk wrote:
> I'm finally getting to the point where there's plenty of content, and
> I should care about how "pretty" the webpage is. Does the new layout
> look good, or should I be tweaking the stylesheet some more? (If the
> latter, please tell me what's wrong with the layout and what browser
> you're using. I use Mozilla 1.7.3, so I know it looks good on
> that...)
>
> <http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/meganekko/index.html>

Looks good On Firefox, I have to agree fewer images would be better.

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[Dale]

Rob Kelk wrote:
> I'm finally getting to the point where there's plenty of content, and
> I should care about how "pretty" the webpage is. Does the new layout
> look good, or should I be tweaking the stylesheet some more? (If the
> latter, please tell me what's wrong with the layout and what browser
> you're using. I use Mozilla 1.7.3, so I know it looks good on
> that...)
>
> <http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/meganekko/index.html>

Looks good On Firefox, I have to agree fewer images would be better.

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Website: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~hipdale2/Riverton_Common.HTML

What will happen will happen; why reap worry by sowing it.

[Chika]

In article <s12sl0lh6mjafikca398sip8t42sbp962m@4ax.com>,
Rob Kelk <robkelk@deadspam.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 19:49:13 -0400, I wrote:

> >I'm finally getting to the point where there's plenty of content, and I
> >should care about how "pretty" the webpage is. Does the new layout look
> >good, or should I be tweaking the stylesheet some more? (If the latter,
> >please tell me what's wrong with the layout and what browser you're
> >using. I use Mozilla 1.7.3, so I know it looks good on that...)
> >
> ><http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/meganekko/index.html>

> Chika informs me that the pages are pretty good in NetSurf, but do not
> show at all well in Oregano. Good to know that I have to fix that or
> else I'm shutting out a fair chunk of Mac users...

Mac users? <Looks at Miyuki - you didn't sneak a PowerPC in there when I
wasn't looking, did you?> :)

Actually, I sent those examples because I thought it would give you an
idea about how the page degraded on different browsers. It's something
which CSS can be a bit of a problem with if you aren't careful about it.

> So, what do they look like in IE? (I don't run that browser at all.)

Not had a chance to fire up Misa and her infernal Microsoft stuff yet, but
it should be interesting.

On the subject of the amount of loading needed to see a page, could you
not break the page up into alphabetical subpages? It might make the FAQ
easier to work on too.

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[Chika]

In article <s12sl0lh6mjafikca398sip8t42sbp962m@4ax.com>,
Rob Kelk <robkelk@deadspam.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 19:49:13 -0400, I wrote:

> >I'm finally getting to the point where there's plenty of content, and I
> >should care about how "pretty" the webpage is. Does the new layout look
> >good, or should I be tweaking the stylesheet some more? (If the latter,
> >please tell me what's wrong with the layout and what browser you're
> >using. I use Mozilla 1.7.3, so I know it looks good on that...)
> >
> ><http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/meganekko/index.html>

> Chika informs me that the pages are pretty good in NetSurf, but do not
> show at all well in Oregano. Good to know that I have to fix that or
> else I'm shutting out a fair chunk of Mac users...

Mac users? <Looks at Miyuki - you didn't sneak a PowerPC in there when I
wasn't looking, did you?> :)

Actually, I sent those examples because I thought it would give you an
idea about how the page degraded on different browsers. It's something
which CSS can be a bit of a problem with if you aren't careful about it.

> So, what do they look like in IE? (I don't run that browser at all.)

Not had a chance to fire up Misa and her infernal Microsoft stuff yet, but
it should be interesting.

On the subject of the amount of loading needed to see a page, could you
not break the page up into alphabetical subpages? It might make the FAQ
easier to work on too.

--
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// \// Guess what? Google *doesn't* own Usenet! Boycott Google now!

.... I'm dangerous when I know what I'm doing.

[Rob Kelk]

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 21:04:34 -0500, K. A. Pezzano <blah@blahblah.net>
wrote:

>On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 21:48:14 -0400, Rob Kelk <robkelk@deadspam.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>So, what do they look like in IE? (I don't run that browser at all.)
>
>Looks fine to me in IE 6.

Thanks.

>Am I not going to get a credit for writing a description for one of
>the characters?

Did I not add your name to the list? (goes and looks) Whoops - I left
Glenn Shaw off the list, too. Gomen.

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"I'm *not* a kid! Nyyyeaaah!" - Skuld (in "Oh My Goddess!" OAV #3)
"When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear of
childishness and the desire to be very grown-up." - C.S. Lewis, 1947

[Rob Kelk]

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 21:04:34 -0500, K. A. Pezzano <blah@blahblah.net>
wrote:

>On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 21:48:14 -0400, Rob Kelk <robkelk@deadspam.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>So, what do they look like in IE? (I don't run that browser at all.)
>
>Looks fine to me in IE 6.

Thanks.

>Am I not going to get a credit for writing a description for one of
>the characters?

Did I not add your name to the list? (goes and looks) Whoops - I left
Glenn Shaw off the list, too. Gomen.

--
Rob Kelk <http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/> robkelk -at- jksrv -dot- com
"I'm *not* a kid! Nyyyeaaah!" - Skuld (in "Oh My Goddess!" OAV #3)
"When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear of
childishness and the desire to be very grown-up." - C.S. Lewis, 1947

[Rob Kelk]

On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 15:21:31 +0100, Chika <miyuki@spam-no-way.invalid>
wrote:

>In article <s12sl0lh6mjafikca398sip8t42sbp962m@4ax.com>,
> Rob Kelk <robkelk@deadspam.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 19:49:13 -0400, I wrote:
>
>> >I'm finally getting to the point where there's plenty of content, and I
>> >should care about how "pretty" the webpage is. Does the new layout look
>> >good, or should I be tweaking the stylesheet some more? (If the latter,
>> >please tell me what's wrong with the layout and what browser you're
>> >using. I use Mozilla 1.7.3, so I know it looks good on that...)
>> >
>> ><http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/meganekko/index.html>
>
>> Chika informs me that the pages are pretty good in NetSurf, but do not
>> show at all well in Oregano. Good to know that I have to fix that or
>> else I'm shutting out a fair chunk of Mac users...
>
>Mac users? <Looks at Miyuki - you didn't sneak a PowerPC in there when I
>wasn't looking, did you?> :)

Sorry - "Mac, Linux, and other non-MS users". IIRC, Oregano's been
ported to OSX.

>Actually, I sent those examples because I thought it would give you an
>idea about how the page degraded on different browsers. It's something
>which CSS can be a bit of a problem with if you aren't careful about it.
>
>> So, what do they look like in IE? (I don't run that browser at all.)
>
>Not had a chance to fire up Misa and her infernal Microsoft stuff yet, but
>it should be interesting.
>
>On the subject of the amount of loading needed to see a page, could you
>not break the page up into alphabetical subpages? It might make the FAQ
>easier to work on too.

Actually, I just did, along with (I hope) fixing the Oregano problem.
How does the site look now?

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[Rob Kelk]

On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 15:21:31 +0100, Chika <miyuki@spam-no-way.invalid>
wrote:

>In article <s12sl0lh6mjafikca398sip8t42sbp962m@4ax.com>,
> Rob Kelk <robkelk@deadspam.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 19:49:13 -0400, I wrote:
>
>> >I'm finally getting to the point where there's plenty of content, and I
>> >should care about how "pretty" the webpage is. Does the new layout look
>> >good, or should I be tweaking the stylesheet some more? (If the latter,
>> >please tell me what's wrong with the layout and what browser you're
>> >using. I use Mozilla 1.7.3, so I know it looks good on that...)
>> >
>> ><http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/meganekko/index.html>
>
>> Chika informs me that the pages are pretty good in NetSurf, but do not
>> show at all well in Oregano. Good to know that I have to fix that or
>> else I'm shutting out a fair chunk of Mac users...
>
>Mac users? <Looks at Miyuki - you didn't sneak a PowerPC in there when I
>wasn't looking, did you?> :)

Sorry - "Mac, Linux, and other non-MS users". IIRC, Oregano's been
ported to OSX.

>Actually, I sent those examples because I thought it would give you an
>idea about how the page degraded on different browsers. It's something
>which CSS can be a bit of a problem with if you aren't careful about it.
>
>> So, what do they look like in IE? (I don't run that browser at all.)
>
>Not had a chance to fire up Misa and her infernal Microsoft stuff yet, but
>it should be interesting.
>
>On the subject of the amount of loading needed to see a page, could you
>not break the page up into alphabetical subpages? It might make the FAQ
>easier to work on too.

Actually, I just did, along with (I hope) fixing the Oregano problem.
How does the site look now?

--
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If you're reading this through Google Groups, you're not getting the
complete picture. See <news:news.admin.net-abuse.policy> for more.
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[Chika]

In article <b7itl0tmo9tbrmkjn21400fbbbp2m37dte@4ax.com>,
Rob Kelk <robkelk@deadspam.com> wrote:
> >On the subject of the amount of loading needed to see a page, could you
> >not break the page up into alphabetical subpages? It might make the FAQ
> >easier to work on too.

> Actually, I just did, along with (I hope) fixing the Oregano problem.
> How does the site look now?

A lot better, thanks.

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[Chika]

In article <b7itl0tmo9tbrmkjn21400fbbbp2m37dte@4ax.com>,
Rob Kelk <robkelk@deadspam.com> wrote:
> >On the subject of the amount of loading needed to see a page, could you
> >not break the page up into alphabetical subpages? It might make the FAQ
> >easier to work on too.

> Actually, I just did, along with (I hope) fixing the Oregano problem.
> How does the site look now?

A lot better, thanks.

--
//\ // Chika <zvlhxv@penfuarg.bet.hx. - ROT13>
// \// Guess what? Google *doesn't* own Usenet! Boycott Google now!

.... Reality is for people who can't handle Star Trek.

[K. A. Pezzano]

On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 11:27:01 -0400, Rob Kelk <robkelk@deadspam.com>
wrote:


>>Looks fine to me in IE 6.
>
>Thanks.
>

Abraham Evangelista gave a more detailed review, but I couldn't find
any problems after fiddling with some settings, either. It's a very
straightforward design, so if the formatting works out (which it seems
to), you probably don't have a lot to worry about in terms of browser
compatibility.

>>Am I not going to get a credit for writing a description for one of
>>the characters?
>
>Did I not add your name to the list? (goes and looks) Whoops - I left
>Glenn Shaw off the list, too. Gomen.

Nah, 's okay. I just like seeing my name up in lights.

Thanks!

[K. A. Pezzano]

On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 11:27:01 -0400, Rob Kelk <robkelk@deadspam.com>
wrote:


>>Looks fine to me in IE 6.
>
>Thanks.
>

Abraham Evangelista gave a more detailed review, but I couldn't find
any problems after fiddling with some settings, either. It's a very
straightforward design, so if the formatting works out (which it seems
to), you probably don't have a lot to worry about in terms of browser
compatibility.

>>Am I not going to get a credit for writing a description for one of
>>the characters?
>
>Did I not add your name to the list? (goes and looks) Whoops - I left
>Glenn Shaw off the list, too. Gomen.

Nah, 's okay. I just like seeing my name up in lights.

Thanks!

[Dale]

Dale wrote:
> Rob Kelk wrote:
>> I'm finally getting to the point where there's plenty of content, and
>> I should care about how "pretty" the webpage is. Does the new layout
>> look good, or should I be tweaking the stylesheet some more? (If the
>> latter, please tell me what's wrong with the layout and what browser
>> you're using. I use Mozilla 1.7.3, so I know it looks good on
>> that...)
>>
>> <http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/meganekko/index.html>
>
> Looks good On Firefox, I have to agree fewer images would be better.

That should be fewer images per page.

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Dale

Website: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~hipdale2/Riverton_Common.HTML

What will happen will happen; why reap worry by sowing it.

[Dale]

Dale wrote:
> Rob Kelk wrote:
>> I'm finally getting to the point where there's plenty of content, and
>> I should care about how "pretty" the webpage is. Does the new layout
>> look good, or should I be tweaking the stylesheet some more? (If the
>> latter, please tell me what's wrong with the layout and what browser
>> you're using. I use Mozilla 1.7.3, so I know it looks good on
>> that...)
>>
>> <http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/meganekko/index.html>
>
> Looks good On Firefox, I have to agree fewer images would be better.

That should be fewer images per page.

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Dale

Website: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~hipdale2/Riverton_Common.HTML

What will happen will happen; why reap worry by sowing it.

[Glenn Shaw]

Rob Kelk wrote:

> Did I not add your name to the list? (goes and looks) Whoops - I left
> Glenn Shaw off the list, too. Gomen.

S'alright, Rob. :)

--
Glenn Shaw
Indianapolis, IN USA
Sergeant-at-Arms, Indiana Animation Club (www.indyanime.org)
To reply by e-mail, delete NOSPAM and transpose CAST and NET

[Glenn Shaw]

Rob Kelk wrote:

> Did I not add your name to the list? (goes and looks) Whoops - I left
> Glenn Shaw off the list, too. Gomen.

S'alright, Rob. :)

--
Glenn Shaw
Indianapolis, IN USA
Sergeant-at-Arms, Indiana Animation Club (www.indyanime.org)
To reply by e-mail, delete NOSPAM and transpose CAST and NET

[Gerardo Campos]

Rob Kelk <robkelk@deadspam.com> wrote on Fri 01 Oct 2004 06:49:13p:

> I'm finally getting to the point where there's plenty of content, and I
> should care about how "pretty" the webpage is. Does the new layout look
> good, or should I be tweaking the stylesheet some more? (If the latter,
> please tell me what's wrong with the layout and what browser you're
> using. I use Mozilla 1.7.3, so I know it looks good on that...)
>
> <http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/meganekko/index.html>
>

Hello Rob,

I just feel that the titles, pictures and description seem to be overcrowded
under IE6 on WinXP Pro, but using Mozilla and KDE Konqueror, the layout looks
fine.

I looked at you CSS and HTML code, I recommend the following:

Update your current meganekko.css file to:

---Begin---
body {background-color:white; }
h1, h2, h3 {color:black;font-family:sans-serif;font-weight:bold;margin:0;padding:0; }
h3 {margin-top:0.5cm;margin-bottom:0; }
p {color:black; font-family:sans-serif; margin:0; padding-top:1em; float: right; }

hr {border:"1px groove black";clear:both}

img {font-size:smaller;font-weight:normal;font-family:sans-serif; border:1px solid #000;}
.left {float:left; }
.right {float: right; }
---End---

With the above, your HTML code will be more simpler to:

<h3>Vanessa LAIRD</h3>
<p>
<img class="left" src="vanessa_l-1.jpg" alt="Vanessa" title="Vanessa" width="93" height="150">
<img class="right" src="vanessa_l-2.jpg" alt="Vanessa" title="Vanessa" width="145" height="150">
Vanessa is the Chief Computer Operator on the SDF-1 <cite><a href="../primer/primer-m.html#macross">Macross</a></cite>
bridge, and the youngest of the "bridge bunnies" trio. (In the <cite>Robotech</cite>
adaptation, she's named Vanessa Leeds.)
</p>

With the entry [padding-top:1em; float: right; ] for <P> in the css you no
longer need to enter a <BR CLEAR="ALL"> for every row.

This is just my suggestion, feel free to adjust the values in here or just ignore all this.

--
Saludos
Gerardo Campos

[Gerardo Campos]

Rob Kelk <robkelk@deadspam.com> wrote on Fri 01 Oct 2004 06:49:13p:

> I'm finally getting to the point where there's plenty of content, and I
> should care about how "pretty" the webpage is. Does the new layout look
> good, or should I be tweaking the stylesheet some more? (If the latter,
> please tell me what's wrong with the layout and what browser you're
> using. I use Mozilla 1.7.3, so I know it looks good on that...)
>
> <http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/meganekko/index.html>
>

Hello Rob,

I just feel that the titles, pictures and description seem to be overcrowded
under IE6 on WinXP Pro, but using Mozilla and KDE Konqueror, the layout looks
fine.

I looked at you CSS and HTML code, I recommend the following:

Update your current meganekko.css file to:

---Begin---
body {background-color:white; }
h1, h2, h3 {color:black;font-family:sans-serif;font-weight:bold;margin:0;padding:0; }
h3 {margin-top:0.5cm;margin-bottom:0; }
p {color:black; font-family:sans-serif; margin:0; padding-top:1em; float: right; }

hr {border:"1px groove black";clear:both}

img {font-size:smaller;font-weight:normal;font-family:sans-serif; border:1px solid #000;}
.left {float:left; }
.right {float: right; }
---End---

With the above, your HTML code will be more simpler to:

<h3>Vanessa LAIRD</h3>
<p>
<img class="left" src="vanessa_l-1.jpg" alt="Vanessa" title="Vanessa" width="93" height="150">
<img class="right" src="vanessa_l-2.jpg" alt="Vanessa" title="Vanessa" width="145" height="150">
Vanessa is the Chief Computer Operator on the SDF-1 <cite><a href="../primer/primer-m.html#macross">Macross</a></cite>
bridge, and the youngest of the "bridge bunnies" trio. (In the <cite>Robotech</cite>
adaptation, she's named Vanessa Leeds.)
</p>

With the entry [padding-top:1em; float: right; ] for <P> in the css you no
longer need to enter a <BR CLEAR="ALL"> for every row.

This is just my suggestion, feel free to adjust the values in here or just ignore all this.

--
Saludos
Gerardo Campos

[Robert Sneddon]

In article <q0rrl0d2q1iu8k2e1ernvdp89hneol26ih@4ax.com>, Rob Kelk
<robkelk@deadspam.com> writes
>I'm finally getting to the point where there's plenty of content, and I
>should care about how "pretty" the webpage is.

Informative would help...

You've got two pages of Family-name full-timers, split alphabetically
A-K and L-Z but the hotlinks call them Page 1 and Page 2. Page 3 leads
to single-name full-timers. Better descriptions on the hotlinks would
help, and maybe some more splitting as with all the graphics it takes
too long for a single paage to load, even over broadband. More pages
would also help as you update the pages to add new meganekkos in the
future.
--
Email me via nojay (at) nojay (dot) fsnet (dot) co (dot) uk
This address no longer accepts HTML posts.

Robert Sneddon

[Robert Sneddon]

In article <q0rrl0d2q1iu8k2e1ernvdp89hneol26ih@4ax.com>, Rob Kelk
<robkelk@deadspam.com> writes
>I'm finally getting to the point where there's plenty of content, and I
>should care about how "pretty" the webpage is.

Informative would help...

You've got two pages of Family-name full-timers, split alphabetically
A-K and L-Z but the hotlinks call them Page 1 and Page 2. Page 3 leads
to single-name full-timers. Better descriptions on the hotlinks would
help, and maybe some more splitting as with all the graphics it takes
too long for a single paage to load, even over broadband. More pages
would also help as you update the pages to add new meganekkos in the
future.
--
Email me via nojay (at) nojay (dot) fsnet (dot) co (dot) uk
This address no longer accepts HTML posts.

Robert Sneddon

[Rob Kelk]

On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 00:12:26 +0100, Robert Sneddon
<nojay@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <q0rrl0d2q1iu8k2e1ernvdp89hneol26ih@4ax.com>, Rob Kelk
><robkelk@deadspam.com> writes
>>I'm finally getting to the point where there's plenty of content, and I
>>should care about how "pretty" the webpage is.
>
> Informative would help...

Informative is always good.

> You've got two pages of Family-name full-timers, split alphabetically
>A-K and L-Z but the hotlinks call them Page 1 and Page 2. Page 3 leads
>to single-name full-timers.

Actually, page 2 is L-W and page 3 is X-Z and single-name. (That's why
I went with numbered pages at this stage, rather than lettered pages
that are still subject to change.)

> Better descriptions on the hotlinks would
>help, and maybe some more splitting as with all the graphics it takes
>too long for a single paage to load, even over broadband. More pages
>would also help as you update the pages to add new meganekkos in the
>future.

I don't think we need to go with 27 pages of full-timers and 27 pages of
part-timers just yet... (That's how I just re-organized the Anime
Primer, which *is* big enough for that treatment. Take a look at that
subsite and let me know whether you really want the meganekko gallery
organized that way.)

--
Rob Kelk <http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/> robkelk -at- jksrv -dot- com
"I'm *not* a kid! Nyyyeaaah!" - Skuld (in "Oh My Goddess!" OAV #3)
"When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear of
childishness and the desire to be very grown-up." - C.S. Lewis, 1947

[Rob Kelk]

On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 00:12:26 +0100, Robert Sneddon
<nojay@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <q0rrl0d2q1iu8k2e1ernvdp89hneol26ih@4ax.com>, Rob Kelk
><robkelk@deadspam.com> writes
>>I'm finally getting to the point where there's plenty of content, and I
>>should care about how "pretty" the webpage is.
>
> Informative would help...

Informative is always good.

> You've got two pages of Family-name full-timers, split alphabetically
>A-K and L-Z but the hotlinks call them Page 1 and Page 2. Page 3 leads
>to single-name full-timers.

Actually, page 2 is L-W and page 3 is X-Z and single-name. (That's why
I went with numbered pages at this stage, rather than lettered pages
that are still subject to change.)

> Better descriptions on the hotlinks would
>help, and maybe some more splitting as with all the graphics it takes
>too long for a single paage to load, even over broadband. More pages
>would also help as you update the pages to add new meganekkos in the
>future.

I don't think we need to go with 27 pages of full-timers and 27 pages of
part-timers just yet... (That's how I just re-organized the Anime
Primer, which *is* big enough for that treatment. Take a look at that
subsite and let me know whether you really want the meganekko gallery
organized that way.)

--
Rob Kelk <http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/> robkelk -at- jksrv -dot- com
"I'm *not* a kid! Nyyyeaaah!" - Skuld (in "Oh My Goddess!" OAV #3)
"When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear of
childishness and the desire to be very grown-up." - C.S. Lewis, 1947

[Rob Kelk]

On 4 Oct 2004 21:38:08 GMT, Gerardo Campos <macross@mx1.ibm.com> wrote:

>Rob Kelk <robkelk@deadspam.com> wrote on Fri 01 Oct 2004 06:49:13p:
>
>> I'm finally getting to the point where there's plenty of content, and I
>> should care about how "pretty" the webpage is. Does the new layout look
>> good, or should I be tweaking the stylesheet some more? (If the latter,
>> please tell me what's wrong with the layout and what browser you're
>> using. I use Mozilla 1.7.3, so I know it looks good on that...)
>>
>> <http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/meganekko/index.html>
>>
>
>Hello Rob,
>
>I just feel that the titles, pictures and description seem to be overcrowded
>under IE6 on WinXP Pro, but using Mozilla and KDE Konqueror, the layout looks
>fine.
>
>I looked at you CSS and HTML code, I recommend the following:
>
>Update your current meganekko.css file to:
>
>---Begin---
>body {background-color:white; }
>h1, h2, h3 {color:black;font-family:sans-serif;font-weight:bold;margin:0;padding:0; }
>h3 {margin-top:0.5cm;margin-bottom:0; }
>p {color:black; font-family:sans-serif; margin:0; padding-top:1em; float: right; }
>
>hr {border:"1px groove black";clear:both}
>
>img {font-size:smaller;font-weight:normal;font-family:sans-serif; border:1px solid #000;}
> .left {float:left; }
> .right {float: right; }
>---End---
>
>With the above, your HTML code will be more simpler to:
>
><h3>Vanessa LAIRD</h3>
><p>
> <img class="left" src="vanessa_l-1.jpg" alt="Vanessa" title="Vanessa" width="93" height="150">
> <img class="right" src="vanessa_l-2.jpg" alt="Vanessa" title="Vanessa" width="145" height="150">
> Vanessa is the Chief Computer Operator on the SDF-1 <cite><a href="../primer/primer-m.html#macross">Macross</a></cite>
> bridge, and the youngest of the "bridge bunnies" trio. (In the <cite>Robotech</cite>
> adaptation, she's named Vanessa Leeds.)
></p>
>
>With the entry [padding-top:1em; float: right; ] for <P> in the css you no
>longer need to enter a <BR CLEAR="ALL"> for every row.

I tried leaving out the <BR CLEAR="ALL"> earlier, and discovered that
the pages didn't "degrade gracefully" in browsers that don't display
CSS. I fear that we're stuck with these for the time being.

>This is just my suggestion, feel free to adjust the values in here or just ignore all this.

They're interesting ideas - I'll have to play with them for a while
before applying them to the site, though.

Thanks for the suggestions.

--
Rob Kelk <http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/> robkelk -at- jksrv -dot- com
"I'm *not* a kid! Nyyyeaaah!" - Skuld (in "Oh My Goddess!" OAV #3)
"When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear of
childishness and the desire to be very grown-up." - C.S. Lewis, 1947

[Rob Kelk]

On 4 Oct 2004 21:38:08 GMT, Gerardo Campos <macross@mx1.ibm.com> wrote:

>Rob Kelk <robkelk@deadspam.com> wrote on Fri 01 Oct 2004 06:49:13p:
>
>> I'm finally getting to the point where there's plenty of content, and I
>> should care about how "pretty" the webpage is. Does the new layout look
>> good, or should I be tweaking the stylesheet some more? (If the latter,
>> please tell me what's wrong with the layout and what browser you're
>> using. I use Mozilla 1.7.3, so I know it looks good on that...)
>>
>> <http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/meganekko/index.html>
>>
>
>Hello Rob,
>
>I just feel that the titles, pictures and description seem to be overcrowded
>under IE6 on WinXP Pro, but using Mozilla and KDE Konqueror, the layout looks
>fine.
>
>I looked at you CSS and HTML code, I recommend the following:
>
>Update your current meganekko.css file to:
>
>---Begin---
>body {background-color:white; }
>h1, h2, h3 {color:black;font-family:sans-serif;font-weight:bold;margin:0;padding:0; }
>h3 {margin-top:0.5cm;margin-bottom:0; }
>p {color:black; font-family:sans-serif; margin:0; padding-top:1em; float: right; }
>
>hr {border:"1px groove black";clear:both}
>
>img {font-size:smaller;font-weight:normal;font-family:sans-serif; border:1px solid #000;}
> .left {float:left; }
> .right {float: right; }
>---End---
>
>With the above, your HTML code will be more simpler to:
>
><h3>Vanessa LAIRD</h3>
><p>
> <img class="left" src="vanessa_l-1.jpg" alt="Vanessa" title="Vanessa" width="93" height="150">
> <img class="right" src="vanessa_l-2.jpg" alt="Vanessa" title="Vanessa" width="145" height="150">
> Vanessa is the Chief Computer Operator on the SDF-1 <cite><a href="../primer/primer-m.html#macross">Macross</a></cite>
> bridge, and the youngest of the "bridge bunnies" trio. (In the <cite>Robotech</cite>
> adaptation, she's named Vanessa Leeds.)
></p>
>
>With the entry [padding-top:1em; float: right; ] for <P> in the css you no
>longer need to enter a <BR CLEAR="ALL"> for every row.

I tried leaving out the <BR CLEAR="ALL"> earlier, and discovered that
the pages didn't "degrade gracefully" in browsers that don't display
CSS. I fear that we're stuck with these for the time being.

>This is just my suggestion, feel free to adjust the values in here or just ignore all this.

They're interesting ideas - I'll have to play with them for a while
before applying them to the site, though.

Thanks for the suggestions.

--
Rob Kelk <http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/> robkelk -at- jksrv -dot- com
"I'm *not* a kid! Nyyyeaaah!" - Skuld (in "Oh My Goddess!" OAV #3)
"When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear of
childishness and the desire to be very grown-up." - C.S. Lewis, 1947

[ru.igarashi@usask.ca]

In rec.arts.anime.misc Rob Kelk <robkelk@deadspam.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 00:12:26 +0100, Robert Sneddon
><nojay@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>> You've got two pages of Family-name full-timers, split alphabetically
>>A-K and L-Z but the hotlinks call them Page 1 and Page 2. Page 3 leads
>>to single-name full-timers.

>Actually, page 2 is L-W and page 3 is X-Z and single-name. (That's why
>I went with numbered pages at this stage, rather than lettered pages
>that are still subject to change.)

Even so, I think there is some merit in the descriptive links suggestion.
In my private notes of anime I've watched, the HTML version had this
linkage right from my early days (I needed notes even to keep track
of just a couple dozen titles). I knew I'd have to rework them every
time I bifurcated the files, but the convenience during the much more
frequent lookups far outweighed the inconvenience of editing changes
due to file content changes.

>> Better descriptions on the hotlinks would
>>help, and maybe some more splitting as with all the graphics it takes
>>too long for a single paage to load, even over broadband. More pages
>>would also help as you update the pages to add new meganekkos in the
>>future.

>I don't think we need to go with 27 pages of full-timers and 27 pages of
>part-timers just yet... (That's how I just re-organized the Anime
>Primer, which *is* big enough for that treatment. Take a look at that
>subsite and let me know whether you really want the meganekko gallery
>organized that way.)

Taking from my experience with my private notes, you don't need to
break it down 27+ ways. I started with 3 and am now up to 15, adding
a new link every time I split a file because the file started getting
too large. So far I've been able to stick to the first letter, but I
intend on bifurcations based on the second letter soon. My point is,
you can simply stick with the number of files needed to keep file sizes
within some criteria, grouping letters accordingly, and setting up
links accordingly.

As for criteria, I think you have something like 50 entries on Page 1.
When I'm going through online catalogs and the site allows for tuning,
I find 50 non-image entries and 10 image entries most comfortable or
convenient to work with. I would then suggest splitting the pages
up so that each page has ROUGHLY 20 - 25 entries.

HOWEVER, to counter these arguments, I do find having more monolithic
pages more convenient for searching for either character names or
show titles.

Speaking of which, if you stay with the larger file format, could you
add links at the top and bottom for certain natural "milestones" on a
given page? If I'm looking for someone with name starting with letter
"H", that kind of link is a fast way of getting to approximately the
right place to search for a certain character. Note, this is a separate
suggestion from adding links at the top of each page to the other pages.
And if you really want to go nuts on the crossreferencing, put the same
AT each milestone (I'm not saying you should, because at some point
these things become clutter rather than convenience).

ru

--
Maintainer of the REC.ARTS.ANIME.MUSIC FAQs
http://www.geocities.com/ruigarashi/FAQS/raa_music/
and the Annual rec.arts.anime.* "What are we like?" survey
http://www.geocities.com/ruigarashi/Surveys/fans/

[ru.igarashi@usask.ca]

In rec.arts.anime.misc Rob Kelk <robkelk@deadspam.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 00:12:26 +0100, Robert Sneddon
><nojay@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>> You've got two pages of Family-name full-timers, split alphabetically
>>A-K and L-Z but the hotlinks call them Page 1 and Page 2. Page 3 leads
>>to single-name full-timers.

>Actually, page 2 is L-W and page 3 is X-Z and single-name. (That's why
>I went with numbered pages at this stage, rather than lettered pages
>that are still subject to change.)

Even so, I think there is some merit in the descriptive links suggestion.
In my private notes of anime I've watched, the HTML version had this
linkage right from my early days (I needed notes even to keep track
of just a couple dozen titles). I knew I'd have to rework them every
time I bifurcated the files, but the convenience during the much more
frequent lookups far outweighed the inconvenience of editing changes
due to file content changes.

>> Better descriptions on the hotlinks would
>>help, and maybe some more splitting as with all the graphics it takes
>>too long for a single paage to load, even over broadband. More pages
>>would also help as you update the pages to add new meganekkos in the
>>future.

>I don't think we need to go with 27 pages of full-timers and 27 pages of
>part-timers just yet... (That's how I just re-organized the Anime
>Primer, which *is* big enough for that treatment. Take a look at that
>subsite and let me know whether you really want the meganekko gallery
>organized that way.)

Taking from my experience with my private notes, you don't need to
break it down 27+ ways. I started with 3 and am now up to 15, adding
a new link every time I split a file because the file started getting
too large. So far I've been able to stick to the first letter, but I
intend on bifurcations based on the second letter soon. My point is,
you can simply stick with the number of files needed to keep file sizes
within some criteria, grouping letters accordingly, and setting up
links accordingly.

As for criteria, I think you have something like 50 entries on Page 1.
When I'm going through online catalogs and the site allows for tuning,
I find 50 non-image entries and 10 image entries most comfortable or
convenient to work with. I would then suggest splitting the pages
up so that each page has ROUGHLY 20 - 25 entries.

HOWEVER, to counter these arguments, I do find having more monolithic
pages more convenient for searching for either character names or
show titles.

Speaking of which, if you stay with the larger file format, could you
add links at the top and bottom for certain natural "milestones" on a
given page? If I'm looking for someone with name starting with letter
"H", that kind of link is a fast way of getting to approximately the
right place to search for a certain character. Note, this is a separate
suggestion from adding links at the top of each page to the other pages.
And if you really want to go nuts on the crossreferencing, put the same
AT each milestone (I'm not saying you should, because at some point
these things become clutter rather than convenience).

ru

--
Maintainer of the REC.ARTS.ANIME.MUSIC FAQs
http://www.geocities.com/ruigarashi/FAQS/raa_music/
and the Annual rec.arts.anime.* "What are we like?" survey
http://www.geocities.com/ruigarashi/Surveys/fans/

[Rob Kelk]

On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:52:39 +0000 (UTC), ru.igarashi@usask.ca wrote:

>In rec.arts.anime.misc Rob Kelk <robkelk@deadspam.com> wrote:
>>On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 00:12:26 +0100, Robert Sneddon
>><nojay@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> You've got two pages of Family-name full-timers, split alphabetically
>>>A-K and L-Z but the hotlinks call them Page 1 and Page 2. Page 3 leads
>>>to single-name full-timers.
>
>>Actually, page 2 is L-W and page 3 is X-Z and single-name. (That's why
>>I went with numbered pages at this stage, rather than lettered pages
>>that are still subject to change.)
>
>Even so, I think there is some merit in the descriptive links suggestion.
>In my private notes of anime I've watched, the HTML version had this
>linkage right from my early days (I needed notes even to keep track
>of just a couple dozen titles). I knew I'd have to rework them every
>time I bifurcated the files, but the convenience during the much more
>frequent lookups far outweighed the inconvenience of editing changes
>due to file content changes.

Well, I *did* say "at this stage"... ^_^

I did a redesign over the last couple of hours, and have uploaded the
result. There are now seven pages for the full-time meganekko, and
three for the part-timers. More importantly, the links to the pages are
at least somewhat descriptive.

<snip>

>As for criteria, I think you have something like 50 entries on Page 1.
>When I'm going through online catalogs and the site allows for tuning,
>I find 50 non-image entries and 10 image entries most comfortable or
>convenient to work with. I would then suggest splitting the pages
>up so that each page has ROUGHLY 20 - 25 entries.

Oh, good; that's what I aimed at, also. (The "no family name" page for
the full-time meganekko has closer to 30 entries, though - I just
couldn't come up with any way to split that group.)

>HOWEVER, to counter these arguments, I do find having more monolithic
>pages more convenient for searching for either character names or
>show titles.

Hmmmmm... Perhaps an index page (with just character and anime names)
would be in order. I do appreciate a good index in others' works, so I
should supply one in mine.

>Speaking of which, if you stay with the larger file format, could you
>add links at the top and bottom for certain natural "milestones" on a
>given page? If I'm looking for someone with name starting with letter
>"H", that kind of link is a fast way of getting to approximately the
>right place to search for a certain character. Note, this is a separate
>suggestion from adding links at the top of each page to the other pages.
>And if you really want to go nuts on the crossreferencing, put the same
>AT each milestone (I'm not saying you should, because at some point
>these things become clutter rather than convenience).

I had put the code in to implement that functionality, but never got
around to actualy adding the links... <embarassed grin>

Since I've gone with the smaller pages, I hope that this is less of a
concern.

>ru
--
Rob Kelk <http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/> robkelk -at- jksrv -dot- com
"I'm *not* a kid! Nyyyeaaah!" - Skuld (in "Oh My Goddess!" OAV #3)
"When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear of
childishness and the desire to be very grown-up." - C.S. Lewis, 1947

[Rob Kelk]

On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:52:39 +0000 (UTC), ru.igarashi@usask.ca wrote:

>In rec.arts.anime.misc Rob Kelk <robkelk@deadspam.com> wrote:
>>On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 00:12:26 +0100, Robert Sneddon
>><nojay@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> You've got two pages of Family-name full-timers, split alphabetically
>>>A-K and L-Z but the hotlinks call them Page 1 and Page 2. Page 3 leads
>>>to single-name full-timers.
>
>>Actually, page 2 is L-W and page 3 is X-Z and single-name. (That's why
>>I went with numbered pages at this stage, rather than lettered pages
>>that are still subject to change.)
>
>Even so, I think there is some merit in the descriptive links suggestion.
>In my private notes of anime I've watched, the HTML version had this
>linkage right from my early days (I needed notes even to keep track
>of just a couple dozen titles). I knew I'd have to rework them every
>time I bifurcated the files, but the convenience during the much more
>frequent lookups far outweighed the inconvenience of editing changes
>due to file content changes.

Well, I *did* say "at this stage"... ^_^

I did a redesign over the last couple of hours, and have uploaded the
result. There are now seven pages for the full-time meganekko, and
three for the part-timers. More importantly, the links to the pages are
at least somewhat descriptive.

<snip>

>As for criteria, I think you have something like 50 entries on Page 1.
>When I'm going through online catalogs and the site allows for tuning,
>I find 50 non-image entries and 10 image entries most comfortable or
>convenient to work with. I would then suggest splitting the pages
>up so that each page has ROUGHLY 20 - 25 entries.

Oh, good; that's what I aimed at, also. (The "no family name" page for
the full-time meganekko has closer to 30 entries, though - I just
couldn't come up with any way to split that group.)

>HOWEVER, to counter these arguments, I do find having more monolithic
>pages more convenient for searching for either character names or
>show titles.

Hmmmmm... Perhaps an index page (with just character and anime names)
would be in order. I do appreciate a good index in others' works, so I
should supply one in mine.

>Speaking of which, if you stay with the larger file format, could you
>add links at the top and bottom for certain natural "milestones" on a
>given page? If I'm looking for someone with name starting with letter
>"H", that kind of link is a fast way of getting to approximately the
>right place to search for a certain character. Note, this is a separate
>suggestion from adding links at the top of each page to the other pages.
>And if you really want to go nuts on the crossreferencing, put the same
>AT each milestone (I'm not saying you should, because at some point
>these things become clutter rather than convenience).

I had put the code in to implement that functionality, but never got
around to actualy adding the links... <embarassed grin>

Since I've gone with the smaller pages, I hope that this is less of a
concern.

>ru
--
Rob Kelk <http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/> robkelk -at- jksrv -dot- com
"I'm *not* a kid! Nyyyeaaah!" - Skuld (in "Oh My Goddess!" OAV #3)
"When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear of
childishness and the desire to be very grown-up." - C.S. Lewis, 1947

[Rob Kelk]

On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 19:35:12 -0400, I wrote:

>On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:52:39 +0000 (UTC), ru.igarashi@usask.ca wrote:

<snip>

>>HOWEVER, to counter these arguments, I do find having more monolithic
>>pages more convenient for searching for either character names or
>>show titles.
>
>Hmmmmm... Perhaps an index page (with just character and anime names)
>would be in order. I do appreciate a good index in others' works, so I
>should supply one in mine.

It would almost definitely help - I just got a suggestion (from a "new"
fan) to add a character who's already in the Gallery. There's my
project for lunchtime tomorrow...

<snip>
--
Rob Kelk <http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/> robkelk -at- jksrv -dot- com
"I'm *not* a kid! Nyyyeaaah!" - Skuld (in "Oh My Goddess!" OAV #3)
"When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear of
childishness and the desire to be very grown-up." - C.S. Lewis, 1947

[Rob Kelk]

On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 19:35:12 -0400, I wrote:

>On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:52:39 +0000 (UTC), ru.igarashi@usask.ca wrote:

<snip>

>>HOWEVER, to counter these arguments, I do find having more monolithic
>>pages more convenient for searching for either character names or
>>show titles.
>
>Hmmmmm... Perhaps an index page (with just character and anime names)
>would be in order. I do appreciate a good index in others' works, so I
>should supply one in mine.

It would almost definitely help - I just got a suggestion (from a "new"
fan) to add a character who's already in the Gallery. There's my
project for lunchtime tomorrow...

<snip>
--
Rob Kelk <http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/> robkelk -at- jksrv -dot- com
"I'm *not* a kid! Nyyyeaaah!" - Skuld (in "Oh My Goddess!" OAV #3)
"When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear of
childishness and the desire to be very grown-up." - C.S. Lewis, 1947