Arthur Hansen
26th November 2003, 03:00 AM
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Let's try that again.
Arthur Hansen
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Subject: Re: [FFML] Re: [fanfic][Ranma] Time Never Did Assuage
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:57:01 -0700
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From: "Krista Perry" <kristaperry@comcast.net>
To: "The Eternal Lost Lurker" <lurkerdrome@sbcglobal.net>; "Richard Lawson"
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Subject: [FFML] Re: [fanfic][Ranma] Time Never Did Assuage
> I disagree, on almost every point. Of course, that could be because I'm a
> woman who flunked out of high school co-ed swim class because I couldn't
> bear dressing in a swimsuit after several guys made crude comments about
my
> breasts and groped me in the pool -- and then the girls told me I should
be
> flattered rather than upset about it. This is me, virtually flipping off
> both those guys and those girls. >_< Over a decade later, and I still
have
> problems wearing a swimsuit in front of strangers, and baggy t-shirts and
> sweaters are my chothes of choice.
Well, that isn't something that happens to that degree to every girl or
woman. Demeanor, in what setting and looks can greatly affect how anyone is
approached.
Guys (and gals) can be pretty low and cruel, but I read it that *Ranma* is
seeing anyone casting an appreciative looks at "her" as oogling. Not
everyone stares crudely, but some aspects can be hard to ignore too.
Maybe I'm just naive. [shrug]
> You may think Ranma's behavior is over the top, but to me, when I read it,
I
> was amazed at how Richard could jump the gender gap and actually get into
> the head of a female who has been given more than enough reason to be
> paranoid about what the guys are thinking, and what they might do to act
on
> those thoughts.
I didn't really have a problem, but I would have expected Ranma to do
something like Ukyo (breast bindings) to minimize her own overt sexuality
and to dress as androgynously as possible (not necessarily as a *guy* but
nueter.
> And yes, reading about it might be like "trying to wash down a plate of
> sauerkraut and liver marinated in lemon juice with a bottle of vinegar,"
but
> guess what? That's pretty much what it's like living it.
It really can be, but it's really complex. Something that can be merely
"cutely risque" with one person can be *taken* an entirely different way
with someone else.
Yeah, they're jerk and such, but I knew one guy who came from a slightly
messed up family. He was bit socially disfunctional. But not really bad.
Just the sort of guy that no one really hangs around with. Suffice it to say
I got to see if from *both* ends.
And yeah, he made a pretty big social gaff. But he really didn't try to hurt
anyone's feelings. He just didn't know how to make a pass to save his life.
> The only problem *I* had with the story was that I felt that Ranma hooking
> up with her student at the end was waaay too out of the blue. The only
> reason I accepted it at all was because I remember reading "Thy Outward
> Part" years ago, and I finally made the connection that the narrator of
TOP
> and this student were the same person, and that this was the same story
told
> from Ranma's POV.
I couldn't get that far. Not because it wasn't technically a good story.
But because *Ranma* in my mind will never give up.
Ever.
Not on Akane. Not on a cure (someday) or his masculinity.
Ever.
He might become comfortable with his curse to a very select few people
(Akane, IMO) but even that would be something that would really have to be
worked at. And I don't think it'll ever be really comfortable.
[snip]
> Hope that made sense. I'm typing this on my break at work. Anyway,
that's
> my take on it. Aside from the big "Huh-Wha?" moment at the end, I found
it
> a thoroughly enjoyable read.
>
> And Richard, I'm absolutely thrilled that you're putting up your website
> stories again. I've missed your stories. ^_^
>
> -Krista
Arthur Hansen
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To: "The Eternal Lost Lurker" <lurkerdrome@sbcglobal.net>; "Richard Lawson"
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Subject: [FFML] Re: [fanfic][Ranma] Time Never Did Assuage
> I disagree, on almost every point. Of course, that could be because I'm a
> woman who flunked out of high school co-ed swim class because I couldn't
> bear dressing in a swimsuit after several guys made crude comments about
my
> breasts and groped me in the pool -- and then the girls told me I should
be
> flattered rather than upset about it. This is me, virtually flipping off
> both those guys and those girls. >_< Over a decade later, and I still
have
> problems wearing a swimsuit in front of strangers, and baggy t-shirts and
> sweaters are my chothes of choice.
Well, that isn't something that happens to that degree to every girl or
woman. Demeanor, in what setting and looks can greatly affect how anyone is
approached.
Guys (and gals) can be pretty low and cruel, but I read it that *Ranma* is
seeing anyone casting an appreciative looks at "her" as oogling. Not
everyone stares crudely, but some aspects can be hard to ignore too.
Maybe I'm just naive. [shrug]
> You may think Ranma's behavior is over the top, but to me, when I read it,
I
> was amazed at how Richard could jump the gender gap and actually get into
> the head of a female who has been given more than enough reason to be
> paranoid about what the guys are thinking, and what they might do to act
on
> those thoughts.
I didn't really have a problem, but I would have expected Ranma to do
something like Ukyo (breast bindings) to minimize her own overt sexuality
and to dress as androgynously as possible (not necessarily as a *guy* but
nueter.
> And yes, reading about it might be like "trying to wash down a plate of
> sauerkraut and liver marinated in lemon juice with a bottle of vinegar,"
but
> guess what? That's pretty much what it's like living it.
It really can be, but it's really complex. Something that can be merely
"cutely risque" with one person can be *taken* an entirely different way
with someone else.
Yeah, they're jerk and such, but I knew one guy who came from a slightly
messed up family. He was bit socially disfunctional. But not really bad.
Just the sort of guy that no one really hangs around with. Suffice it to say
I got to see if from *both* ends.
And yeah, he made a pretty big social gaff. But he really didn't try to hurt
anyone's feelings. He just didn't know how to make a pass to save his life.
> The only problem *I* had with the story was that I felt that Ranma hooking
> up with her student at the end was waaay too out of the blue. The only
> reason I accepted it at all was because I remember reading "Thy Outward
> Part" years ago, and I finally made the connection that the narrator of
TOP
> and this student were the same person, and that this was the same story
told
> from Ranma's POV.
I couldn't get that far. Not because it wasn't technically a good story.
But because *Ranma* in my mind will never give up.
Ever.
Not on Akane. Not on a cure (someday) or his masculinity.
Ever.
He might become comfortable with his curse to a very select few people
(Akane, IMO) but even that would be something that would really have to be
worked at. And I don't think it'll ever be really comfortable.
[snip]
> Hope that made sense. I'm typing this on my break at work. Anyway,
that's
> my take on it. Aside from the big "Huh-Wha?" moment at the end, I found
it
> a thoroughly enjoyable read.
>
> And Richard, I'm absolutely thrilled that you're putting up your website
> stories again. I've missed your stories. ^_^
>
> -Krista
Arthur Hansen
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