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Dave

27th December 2002, 10:05 PM

Syria Stingray wrote:
> http://home.earthlink.net/~rufusis/japanno/
>
>
> In other words...
>
> "Yankees, get the hell out of Okinawa kudasai."
>
I was slightly confused while reading the introduction. Part of it read
like some sort of unionist/socialist rant against American big business; yet
other parts seemed to try to dispel some notion that this is a piece of
right-wing crap written by a pair of extremests just out to bash America.

Anyway, I still have to finish reading it. However, I don't see Americans
getting out of Japan any time soon. That is because the country is almost
totally surrounded by communist regimes (and please don't try and tell me
that Russia is completely democratic, as I'm sure that some portions of the
far eastern regions of the country are still run soviet-style) that America
would like to see taken down. Yes, even if both China and Vietnam are
embracing a Western-style market economy now, the ruling governments are
still kept in power through brutal oppression of opposition and dissadent
groups - and I'm not going to start throwing out all the outragious claims,
or even the proven claims, at the moment to make my case.

But yes, after having lived in the States for a couple of years during high
school, I can see how Americans have become quite arrogant - or appeared to
be - around the world.

My 2 cents worth.

Dave

sanjian

27th December 2002, 10:29 PM

"Dave" <dglaw@idirect.com> wrote in message
news:v0pjedrnu65808@corp.supernews.com...

> But yes, after having lived in the States for a couple of years during
high
> school, I can see how Americans have become quite arrogant - or appeared
to
> be - around the world.

Well, we sorta got to be in order to do what the world demands of us.

Sumiya Yuki - Masutaa Obu Doragon

27th December 2002, 11:52 PM

"Chibi-Light" <chibiwibi2002@YUM-SPAM.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3e0ca125.1064475@news.earthlink.net...
> On Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:17:24 GMT, Ethan Hammond
> <eshammond@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >That ain't gonna happen anytime soon what with the shyt
> >North Korea is pulling.
>
> Well, we can always pull out and let North Korea reinact god knows how
> many apocolyptic anime.

Cool. North Korea brings about the destruction of earth, humanity builds
space colonies, Gundams appear. :D

>
> CL
> "Outrageous song, I love it."
> -Mike Keneally on Yoko Kanno's "Tank!"
>
> To reply by email, remove "YUM-SPAM" from address.

--
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In just three easy millennia!

Kevin TRAINOR Jr

28th December 2002, 02:34 AM

"Syria Stingray" <syriastingray@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:8029dbf7.0212270945.671e552f@posting.google.c om...
> http://home.earthlink.net/~rufusis/japanno/
>
>
> In other words...
>
> "Yankees, get the hell out of Okinawa kudasai."
>
"Trolls, get the hell out of Usenet."

A much better idea, but unfortunately about as likely to happen
as your simpleminded notion.

> "Artificial Intelligence is far better than Natural Imbecility."
>
Well, you certainly seem to have mastered the latter - going to
try the first anytime soon?

Kevin Trainor
Too old for cosplay, too young to die...
--------------------------------------------------
"For days he had offered many kilowatts of prayer,
but the static kept him from being heard On High."
-Roger Zelazny, LORD OF LIGHT

Kevin TRAINOR Jr

28th December 2002, 02:42 AM

"Dave" <dglaw@idirect.com> wrote in message
news:v0pjedrnu65808@corp.supernews.com...
>
> Syria Stingray wrote:
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~rufusis/japanno/
> >
> >
> > In other words...
> >
> > "Yankees, get the hell out of Okinawa kudasai."
> >
> I was slightly confused while reading the introduction. Part of it read
> like some sort of unionist/socialist rant against American big business;
yet
> other parts seemed to try to dispel some notion that this is a piece of
> right-wing crap written by a pair of extremests just out to bash America.
>
Dave - you actually wasted time reading what this troll had to say?

> Anyway, I still have to finish reading it. However, I don't see Americans
> getting out of Japan any time soon. That is because the country is almost
> totally surrounded by communist regimes (and please don't try and tell me
> that Russia is completely democratic, as I'm sure that some portions of
the
> far eastern regions of the country are still run soviet-style) that
America
> would like to see taken down. Yes, even if both China and Vietnam are
> embracing a Western-style market economy now, the ruling governments are
> still kept in power through brutal oppression of opposition and dissadent
> groups - and I'm not going to start throwing out all the outragious
claims,
> or even the proven claims, at the moment to make my case.
>
The bottom line is that the Japanese have counted on us to defend them since
MacArthur was Shogun, and they're not exactly ready (or willing) to amend
their consitution to change the JSDF into a real military force. Besides, we
may
not have long memories, but the Chinese, Koreans and Russians sure do, and
they remember what happened the last time the Japanese had economic
problems at home and a sizable military. It may be one of the few things
that
Beijing, Moscow, Pyongyang and Seoul all agree on....but on the other hand,
unless North Korea cools it, the other three might change their minds about
having some help whipping on the NKs.

> But yes, after having lived in the States for a couple of years during
high
> school, I can see how Americans have become quite arrogant - or appeared
to
> be - around the world.
>
What Sanjian said.

Kevin Trainor
Too old for cosplay, too young to die...
--------------------------------------------------
"Hey, we can all learn something from the Sarge."
-Cooper Hawkes, "Space: Above and Beyond"

sephigirl

28th December 2002, 03:33 AM

"Syria Stingray" <syriastingray@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:8029dbf7.0212270945.671e552f@posting.google.c om...

Who *are* you? Do you have anything to add that could be construed as a
working or *constructive* discussion on Utena or are you just popping in to
fault others or to maybe start a flame war?

The folks who post/lurk on afu are intelligent, broad-minded, good-hearted
and have a *sense of humor*. We may intensely discuss or disagree on
something in regards to Utena but we *respect* each other. We don't play
faux scholar nor do we brow beat each other.

Btw - *this* should have an OT before it so that we know it has bloody
nothing to do with Utena.

I have never done this to anyone but I am blocking you. I have never been
irritated by anyone before either. Your other thread is just as
irritating - shall I now babble in German and Latin and Japanese as well and
argue Julio-Claudian sociological and political beliefs just to prove . . .
what, exactly? Oh, and I can throw in some French as well if that'll
impress you.

Please post only to the other newgroups. If you have something relevant to
discuss *and* you're willing to play nice with others, then by all means,
please join us. We welcome others' views and insights. We do not welcome
their abuse.

~Katherine

Rob Kelly

28th December 2002, 03:58 AM

"Syria Stingray" <syriastingray@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:8029dbf7.0212270945.671e552f@posting.google.c om...
> http://home.earthlink.net/~rufusis/japanno/
>
>
> In other words...
>
> "Yankees, get the hell out of Okinawa kudasai."

Don't you think this is a little rude? I don see why Japan should shut
itself off like it did in the old days, but to print alarmist
anti-American/Occidental literature in an Utena newsgroup is a little bit
stupid, don't you think, Syria?

> "Artificial Intelligence is far better than Natural Imbecility."
>
> [AndrAIa --- "ReBoot"]

You know, I've never really liked ReBoot. Maybe it was because of the way I
thought it degenerated into parody and self parody in it's second season...

--
==================
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preloading for a better tomorrow
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tim gueguen

28th December 2002, 04:13 AM

"Kevin TRAINOR Jr" <kevintrainor@whipspam.att.net> wrote in message
news:ac8P9.81550$hK4.6688632@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> "Dave" <dglaw@idirect.com> wrote in message
> news:v0pjedrnu65808@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > Syria Stingray wrote:
> > > http://home.earthlink.net/~rufusis/japanno/
> > >
> > >
> > > In other words...
> > >
> > > "Yankees, get the hell out of Okinawa kudasai."
> > >
> > I was slightly confused while reading the introduction. Part of it read
> > like some sort of unionist/socialist rant against American big business;
> yet
> > other parts seemed to try to dispel some notion that this is a piece of
> > right-wing crap written by a pair of extremests just out to bash
America.
> >
> Dave - you actually wasted time reading what this troll had to say?
>
> > Anyway, I still have to finish reading it. However, I don't see
Americans
> > getting out of Japan any time soon. That is because the country is
almost
> > totally surrounded by communist regimes (and please don't try and tell
me
> > that Russia is completely democratic, as I'm sure that some portions of
> the
> > far eastern regions of the country are still run soviet-style) that
> America
> > would like to see taken down. Yes, even if both China and Vietnam are
> > embracing a Western-style market economy now, the ruling governments are
> > still kept in power through brutal oppression of opposition and
dissadent
> > groups - and I'm not going to start throwing out all the outragious
> claims,
> > or even the proven claims, at the moment to make my case.
> >
> The bottom line is that the Japanese have counted on us to defend them
since
> MacArthur was Shogun, and they're not exactly ready (or willing) to amend
> their consitution to change the JSDF into a real military force.

Other that the limits on operations outside of Japan in what way isn't the
Japanese military a real military? They can call it what they want but the
fact remains Japan has a mechanized army, air force equipped with advanced
combat aircraft, and a hi tech navy that includes the expensive Aegis naval
air defense system.

tim gueguen 101867

Scott Delahunt

28th December 2002, 04:13 AM

"sephigirl" (sephigirl@yahoo.com) writes:
> "Syria Stingray" <syriastingray@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message

<original message already snipped>

> Who *are* you? Do you have anything to add that could be construed as a
> working or *constructive* discussion on Utena or are you just popping in to
> fault others or to maybe start a flame war?

That would be Gillian von Karmann, mediocre writer and troll who has never
gotten the concept of posting on-topic anywhere. Plonk her of you can,
but watch for morphing. Also has used vonkarmann@yahoo.com and
sailormars@myself.com, so you can pre-plonk her other addresses if you
want.

> The folks who post/lurk on afu are intelligent, broad-minded, good-hearted
> and have a *sense of humor*. We may intensely discuss or disagree on
> something in regards to Utena but we *respect* each other. We don't play
> faux scholar nor do we brow beat each other.

You should see her defend her mediocre writing.

> Btw - *this* should have an OT before it so that we know it has bloody
> nothing to do with Utena.

Off-topic for all the newsgroups, really. I've set followups to
rec.arts.anime.misc, but I'll encourage others to redirect to somewhere
more appropriate.

> I have never done this to anyone but I am blocking you. I have never been
> irritated by anyone before either. Your other thread is just as
> irritating - shall I now babble in German and Latin and Japanese as well and
> argue Julio-Claudian sociological and political beliefs just to prove . . .
> what, exactly? Oh, and I can throw in some French as well if that'll
> impress you.

Babble in all those languages to prove you can be a pseudo-intellectual
just as badly as she can.

> Please post only to the other newgroups. If you have something relevant to
> discuss *and* you're willing to play nice with others, then by all means,
> please join us. We welcome others' views and insights. We do not welcome
> their abuse.

She is not willing to play nice. First time I saw her (via
alt.fan.sailor-moon, where she also crossposted), she was openly hostile.
Naturally, the fine folk there didn't like that and, well, returned fire.
She left, oddly enough, and we thought it was the last, though she tried
reporting her story and, surprise, surprise, it got the same response.
Seriously, plonking her is the best thing, though be ready for morphs.

--
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cn236@freenet.carleton.ca | guy before he kicks you."
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| Mom", Samurai Pizza Cats

Adam Haun

28th December 2002, 04:54 AM

On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 03:33:26 GMT, "sephigirl" <sephigirl@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Please post only to the other newgroups. If you have something relevant to
>discuss *and* you're willing to play nice with others, then by all means,
>please join us. We welcome others' views and insights. We do not welcome
>their abuse.

No, no, we don't want them either. The only place those messages are
welcome is 127.0.0.1.

--
Adam Haun
adam@infinity.idleplay.net

Chibi-Light

28th December 2002, 05:47 AM

On Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:52:19 GMT, "Sumiya Yuki - Masutaa Obu Doragon"
<Volfmon@spiritevolution.hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>"Chibi-Light" <chibiwibi2002@YUM-SPAM.yahoo.com> wrote in message

>> Well, we can always pull out and let North Korea reinact god knows how
>> many apocolyptic anime.
>
>Cool. North Korea brings about the destruction of earth, humanity builds
>space colonies, Gundams appear. :D

Oh good god no!!!

CL
"Outrageous song, I love it."
-Mike Keneally on Yoko Kanno's "Tank!"

To reply by email, remove "YUM-SPAM" from address.

Fata Morgana

28th December 2002, 08:33 AM

"Rob Kelly" <centraldogma@sekai-no-hate.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:auj7h9$bfc$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> "Syria Stingray" <syriastingray@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:8029dbf7.0212270945.671e552f@posting.google.c om...
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~rufusis/japanno/

> >
> > [AndrAIa --- "ReBoot"]
>
> You know, I've never really liked ReBoot. Maybe it was because of the way
I
> thought it degenerated into parody and self parody in it's second
season...
>

THREAD HIJACK!!

What about the third season? It was the best of all... great plot, better
animation, more complex characterisation. Though personally I do like the
second season also, the third season is unquestionably the best.
Interesting that it's the second season you object to; I've always felt the
first season to be the worst of all. The only reason I got into the show
was because I happened to tune in to an episode mid-third season. It's
awesomeness showed me the error of my ways. :)

Since we are hijacking the thread, (and to get the hijack on topic as
possible) did you know that both Utena and ReBoot referenced the program The
Prisoner? ReBoot was always grabbing references from various sources, of
course, but there's one episode in the third season that's a total tribute
to the Prisoner. Utena's similarites to that show are more fundamental.

Fata Morgana
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28th December 2002, 03:38 PM

"sephigirl" <sephigirl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:aY8P9.2327$aD3.285379@newsread1.prod.itd.eart hlink.net...
> "Syria Stingray" <syriastingray@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:8029dbf7.0212270945.671e552f@posting.google.c om...
>
> Who *are* you? Do you have anything to add that could be construed as a
> working or *constructive* discussion on Utena or are you just popping in
to
> fault others or to maybe start a flame war?

Please note how many different newsgroups the post in question was
crossposted to.

It's called BLATANT TROLLING.

--
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"Buckaaaaaaaaawke!"
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milo@winternet.com

28th December 2002, 04:30 PM

Kevin TRAINOR Jr wrote:
>
> "Syria Stingray" <syriastingray@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:8029dbf7.0212270945.671e552f@posting.google.c om...
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~rufusis/japanno/
> >
> >
> > In other words...
> >
> > "Yankees, get the hell out of Okinawa kudasai."
> >
> "Trolls, get the hell out of Usenet."
>
> A much better idea, but unfortunately about as likely to happen
> as your simpleminded notion.

I'm not sure she qualifies as a true troll. She's recently been posting
some actual fan fiction to the FFML (and some usenet boards where I'm
not sure that fan fiction is appropriate). So whaddaya get when a "real"
poster acts trollish? A quasitroll?

>
> > "Artificial Intelligence is far better than Natural Imbecility."
> >
> Well, you certainly seem to have mastered the latter - going to
> try the first anytime soon?
>

Hey, I've got a button with that slogan. But given that it comes out of
my AI research days, I figure I've earned it.

Laurie
milo@winternet.com
http://www.winternet.com/~milo

milo@winternet.com

28th December 2002, 04:31 PM

Adam Haun wrote:
>
> On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 03:33:26 GMT, "sephigirl" <sephigirl@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Please post only to the other newgroups. If you have something relevant to
> >discuss *and* you're willing to play nice with others, then by all means,
> >please join us. We welcome others' views and insights. We do not welcome
> >their abuse.
>
> No, no, we don't want them either. The only place those messages are
> welcome is 127.0.0.1.

Forgive my ignorance, but what address is 127.0.0.1?

Laurie
milo@winternet.com
http://www.winternet.com/~milo

Rob Kelk

28th December 2002, 06:51 PM

On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 10:31:59 -0600, milo@winternet.com wrote:

>Adam Haun wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 03:33:26 GMT, "sephigirl" <sephigirl@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Please post only to the other newgroups. If you have something relevant to
>> >discuss *and* you're willing to play nice with others, then by all means,
>> >please join us. We welcome others' views and insights. We do not welcome
>> >their abuse.
>>
>> No, no, we don't want them either. The only place those messages are
>> welcome is 127.0.0.1.
>
>Forgive my ignorance, but what address is 127.0.0.1?

That's the internet address for "localhost" - i.e., the computer that's
sending the post. My computer is 127.0.0.1 to my internet programs,
your computer is 127.0.0.1 to your internet programs, and so on. (It's
intended for software testing.)

ObAnime... hmmmmm... okay, there is no ObAnime this time. Gomen.
--
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"When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear of
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Chris Mattern

28th December 2002, 07:14 PM

<milo@winternet.com> wrote in message news:3E0DD1FF.248022B3@winternet.com...
> Adam Haun wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 03:33:26 GMT, "sephigirl" <sephigirl@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Please post only to the other newgroups. If you have something relevant to
> > >discuss *and* you're willing to play nice with others, then by all means,
> > >please join us. We welcome others' views and insights. We do not welcome
> > >their abuse.
> >
> > No, no, we don't want them either. The only place those messages are
> > welcome is 127.0.0.1.
>
> Forgive my ignorance, but what address is 127.0.0.1?
>
You (in general, not specifically). Every computer using TCP/IP, by convention,
uses 127.0.0.1 as the address for the "loopback" interface, which sends messages
to itself.

Chris Mattern

Adam Haun

28th December 2002, 07:24 PM

On Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:52:19 GMT, "Sumiya Yuki - Masutaa Obu Doragon"
<Volfmon@spiritevolution.hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>"Chibi-Light" <chibiwibi2002@YUM-SPAM.yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:3e0ca125.1064475@news.earthlink.net...
>> On Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:17:24 GMT, Ethan Hammond
>> <eshammond@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>
>> >That ain't gonna happen anytime soon what with the shyt
>> >North Korea is pulling.
>>
>> Well, we can always pull out and let North Korea reinact god knows how
>> many apocolyptic anime.
>
>Cool. North Korea brings about the destruction of earth, humanity builds
>space colonies, Gundams appear. :D

I'd better start training to become a bishounen, then. They're the
only ones who seem to live longer than a couple of episodes.

--
Adam Haun
adam@infinity.idleplay.net

Chris Mattern

28th December 2002, 07:24 PM

"Rob Kelk" <robkelk@deadspam.com> wrote in message news:3e0df214.835024@news.cis.dfn.de...
> On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 10:31:59 -0600, milo@winternet.com wrote:
>
> >Adam Haun wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 03:33:26 GMT, "sephigirl" <sephigirl@yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Please post only to the other newgroups. If you have something relevant to
> >> >discuss *and* you're willing to play nice with others, then by all means,
> >> >please join us. We welcome others' views and insights. We do not welcome
> >> >their abuse.
> >>
> >> No, no, we don't want them either. The only place those messages are
> >> welcome is 127.0.0.1.
> >
> >Forgive my ignorance, but what address is 127.0.0.1?
>
> That's the internet address for "localhost" - i.e., the computer that's
> sending the post. My computer is 127.0.0.1 to my internet programs,
> your computer is 127.0.0.1 to your internet programs, and so on. (It's
> intended for software testing.)
>
It can also be useful if you have software that consists of a server and
a client that communicate via TCP/IP and you have both pieces on the
same computer. Going through your external IP address would work too--if
you have one, and if the external IP address doesn't change, *and* it's
less efficient.

Chris Mattern

sanjian

28th December 2002, 08:44 PM

"Scott Delahunt" <cn236@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
news:auj8e7$8so$1@freenet9.carleton.ca...

> Off-topic for all the newsgroups, really. I've set followups to
> rec.arts.anime.misc, but I'll encourage others to redirect to somewhere
> more appropriate.

If you're going to redirect followups (a practice which I abhore), don't
just dump it into r.a.a.m. We don't want her anymore than anyone else here.
BTW, followups added back in since I have no idea which group you're posting
from.

sanjian

28th December 2002, 09:01 PM

"Chibi-Light" <chibiwibi2002@YUM-SPAM.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3e0d3abd.2945027@news.earthlink.net...
> On Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:52:19 GMT, "Sumiya Yuki - Masutaa Obu Doragon"
> <Volfmon@spiritevolution.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Chibi-Light" <chibiwibi2002@YUM-SPAM.yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >> Well, we can always pull out and let North Korea reinact god knows how
> >> many apocolyptic anime.
> >
> >Cool. North Korea brings about the destruction of earth, humanity builds
> >space colonies, Gundams appear. :D
>
> Oh good god no!!!

Chotto matte.... you miss the part where North Korea drops a huge bowl of
Bimbim bab on Austrailia. Very tragic... but also very tasty.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to scrounge up alot of kimchee fast.

Rob Kelk

28th December 2002, 10:36 PM

On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 20:44:20 GMT, "sanjian" <sanjian@widomaker.com>
wrote:

>"Scott Delahunt" <cn236@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
>news:auj8e7$8so$1@freenet9.carleton.ca...
>
>> Off-topic for all the newsgroups, really. I've set followups to
>> rec.arts.anime.misc, but I'll encourage others to redirect to somewhere
>> more appropriate.
>
>If you're going to redirect followups (a practice which I abhore), don't
>just dump it into r.a.a.m. We don't want her anymore than anyone else here.
>BTW, followups added back in since I have no idea which group you're posting
>from.

Mr. Delahunt is a regular over on rec.arts.anime.misc. I suspect he
redirected followups there because that's the only group of the four
where I've ever seen him post.

Would you mind not crossposting this to r.a.a.fandom, BTW? It's
off-topic for this group. (Followups adjusted to remove r.a.a.fandom
from the list.)

- Rob, r.a.a.fandom FAQ maintainer

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"I'm *not* a kid! Nyyyeaaah!" - Skuld (in "Oh My Goddess!" OAV #3)
"When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear of
childishness and the desire to be very grown-up." - C.S. Lewis, 1947

Ethan Hammond

29th December 2002, 12:03 AM

Chibi-Light wrote:
>
> On Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:17:24 GMT, Ethan Hammond
> <eshammond@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >That ain't gonna happen anytime soon what with the shyt
> >North Korea is pulling.
>
> Well, we can always pull out and let North Korea reinact god knows how
> many apocolyptic anime.

LOL Damn thats mean.

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Ethan Hammond

29th December 2002, 12:03 AM

Sumiya Yuki - Masutaa Obu Doragon wrote:
>
> "Chibi-Light" <chibiwibi2002@YUM-SPAM.yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3e0ca125.1064475@news.earthlink.net..
> > On Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:17:24 GMT, Ethan Hammond
> > <eshammond@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >
> > >That ain't gonna happen anytime soon what with the shyt
> > >North Korea is pulling.
> >
> > Well, we can always pull out and let North Korea reinact god knows how
> > many apocolyptic anime.
>
> Cool. North Korea brings about the destruction of earth, humanity builds
> space colonies, Gundams appear. :D

Or it could be like in Bastard, BASTARD!!!! *SHAKES FIST*

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Ethan Hammond

29th December 2002, 12:03 AM

Chibi-Light wrote:
>
> On Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:52:19 GMT, "Sumiya Yuki - Masutaa Obu Doragon"
> <Volfmon@spiritevolution.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Chibi-Light" <chibiwibi2002@YUM-SPAM.yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >> Well, we can always pull out and let North Korea reinact god knows how
> >> many apocolyptic anime.
> >
> >Cool. North Korea brings about the destruction of earth, humanity builds
> >space colonies, Gundams appear. :D
>
> Oh good god no!!!

It is fate worse than death, WORSE THAN!!!!

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Ethan Hammond

29th December 2002, 12:03 AM

tim gueguen wrote:

> Other that the limits on operations outside of Japan in what way isn't the
> Japanese military a real military? They can call it what they want but the
> fact remains Japan has a mechanized army, air force equipped with advanced
> combat aircraft, and a hi tech navy that includes the expensive Aegis naval
> air defense system.

Do you mean the JDF, Japan Defense Force?

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tim gueguen

29th December 2002, 06:39 PM

"Ethan Hammond" <eshammond@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:3E0E38CE.7AE8@worldnet.att.net...
> tim gueguen wrote:
>
> > Other that the limits on operations outside of Japan in what way isn't
the
> > Japanese military a real military? They can call it what they want but
the
> > fact remains Japan has a mechanized army, air force equipped with
advanced
> > combat aircraft, and a hi tech navy that includes the expensive Aegis
naval
> > air defense system.
>
> Do you mean the JDF, Japan Defense Force?
>
Technically the Japanese Ground Self Defense Force, Japanese Air Self
Defense Force, and Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force. But regardless of
the naming, and the provisions of the postwar Japanese constitution, these
are military forces like those of other states, and given the quality of
equipment they have compare favourably to anyone else in Asia.

tim gueguen 101867

Ethan Hammond

29th December 2002, 09:43 PM

tim gueguen wrote:

> > Do you mean the JDF, Japan Defense Force?
> >
> Technically the Japanese Ground Self Defense Force, Japanese Air Self
> Defense Force, and Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force. But regardless of
> the naming, and the provisions of the postwar Japanese constitution, these
> are military forces like those of other states, and given the quality of
> equipment they have compare favourably to anyone else in Asia.

Isn't it all equipment we gave them?

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tim gueguen

29th December 2002, 11:02 PM

"Ethan Hammond" <eshammond@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:3E0F6BBC.6EC0@worldnet.att.net...
> tim gueguen wrote:
>
> > > Do you mean the JDF, Japan Defense Force?
> > >
> > Technically the Japanese Ground Self Defense Force, Japanese Air Self
> > Defense Force, and Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force. But regardless
of
> > the naming, and the provisions of the postwar Japanese constitution,
these
> > are military forces like those of other states, and given the quality of
> > equipment they have compare favourably to anyone else in Asia.
>
> Isn't it all equipment we gave them?
>
The Japanese do buy much of their equipment from the US, and build other
things under licence like the F15J version of the F15 Eagle they fly. The
majority of their ground forces equipment, including their armoured vehicles
like the Type 89 tank, are Japanese designed and produced, which tends to be
rather expensive given that Japanese law makes arms sales all but
impossible. Warships are built in Japanese shipyards and armed with
American made electronics and weapons. The Japanese defense budget has
traditionally hovered around 1% of GDP, and given the size of the Japanese
economy this seemingly low level has allowed the purchase of advanced
weaponry.

tim gueguen 101867

sanjian

29th December 2002, 11:25 PM

Dave

29th December 2002, 11:53 PM

Speaking of equipment (and to try and bring it back ontopic) do you know
that the JNDF has a cruiser named 'Haruna'? Yes, as in Haruna-sensei. ^_^

(I found that out while looking through a copy of Jane's Fighting Ships at
the library once.)

Dave

Ethan Hammond

30th December 2002, 06:58 AM

tim gueguen wrote:
>
> "Ethan Hammond" <eshammond@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:3E0F6BBC.6EC0@worldnet.att.net..
> > tim gueguen wrote:
> >
> > > > Do you mean the JDF, Japan Defense Force?
> > > >
> > > Technically the Japanese Ground Self Defense Force, Japanese Air Self
> > > Defense Force, and Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force. But regardless
> of
> > > the naming, and the provisions of the postwar Japanese constitution,
> these
> > > are military forces like those of other states, and given the quality of
> > > equipment they have compare favourably to anyone else in Asia.
> >
> > Isn't it all equipment we gave them?
> >
> The Japanese do buy much of their equipment from the US, and build other
> things under licence like the F15J version of the F15 Eagle they fly. The
> majority of their ground forces equipment, including their armoured vehicles
> like the Type 89 tank, are Japanese designed and produced, which tends to be
> rather expensive given that Japanese law makes arms sales all but
> impossible. Warships are built in Japanese shipyards and armed with
> American made electronics and weapons. The Japanese defense budget has
> traditionally hovered around 1% of GDP, and given the size of the Japanese
> economy this seemingly low level has allowed the purchase of advanced
> weaponry.

Just like in that documentary Airbatts. *nods nods*

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Celebhrive

15th January 2003, 02:20 AM

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Due to circumstances beyond our control, Syria Stingray wrote:

> http://home.earthlink.net/~rufusis/japanno/
>
>
> In other words...
>
> "Yankees, get the hell out of Okinawa kudasai."
>
>
> "Artificial Intelligence is far better than Natural Imbecility."
>
>
> [AndrAIa --- "ReBoot"]
>
>
>
>
> [EOF]

soc.culture.japan is that way ———>

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Celebhrive

15th January 2003, 02:20 AM

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Due to circumstances beyond our control, sephigirl wrote:

> Syria Stingray wrote in message
> news:8029dbf7.0212270945.671e552f@posting.google.c om...
>
> Who *are* you? Do you have anything to add that could be construed as a
> working or *constructive* discussion on Utena or are you just popping in to
> fault others or to maybe start a flame war?
>
> The folks who post/lurk on afu are intelligent, broad-minded, good-hearted
> and have a *sense of humor*. We may intensely discuss or disagree on
> something in regards to Utena but we *respect* each other. We don't play
> faux scholar nor do we brow beat each other.
>
> Btw - *this* should have an OT before it so that we know it has bloody
> nothing to do with Utena.

And it has everything to do with Sailor Moon, anime fandom and anime 'misc'?

> I have never done this to anyone but I am blocking you. I have never been
> irritated by anyone before either. Your other thread is just as
> irritating - shall I now babble in German and Latin and Japanese as well and
> argue Julio-Claudian sociological and political beliefs just to prove . . .
> what, exactly? Oh, and I can throw in some French as well if that'll
> impress you.
>
> Please post only to the other newgroups. If you have something relevant to
> discuss *and* you're willing to play nice with others, then by all means,
> please join us. We welcome others' views and insights. We do not welcome
> their abuse.
>
> ~Katherine

--
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--
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Celebhrive

15th January 2003, 02:20 AM

x-no-archive: yes

Due to circumstances beyond our control, Scott Delahunt wrote:

> sephigirl writes:
>
>> Syria Stingray wrote in message
>
> <original message already snipped>
>
>> Who *are* you? Do you have anything to add that could be construed as a
>> working or *constructive* discussion on Utena or are you just popping in to
>> fault others or to maybe start a flame war?
>
> That would be Gillian von Karmann, mediocre writer and troll who has never
> gotten the concept of posting on-topic anywhere. Plonk her of you can,
> but watch for morphing. Also has used vonkarmann@yahoo.com and
> sailormars@myself.com, so you can pre-plonk her other addresses if you
> want.
>
>> The folks who post/lurk on afu are intelligent, broad-minded, good-hearted
>> and have a *sense of humor*. We may intensely discuss or disagree on
>> something in regards to Utena but we *respect* each other. We don't play
>> faux scholar nor do we brow beat each other.
>
> You should see her defend her mediocre writing.
>
>> Btw - *this* should have an OT before it so that we know it has bloody
>> nothing to do with Utena.
>
> Off-topic for all the newsgroups, really. I've set followups to
> rec.arts.anime.misc, but I'll encourage others to redirect to somewhere
> more appropriate.

It would help if you posted it to the newsgroup sephigirl is reading.

>> I have never done this to anyone but I am blocking you. I have never been
>> irritated by anyone before either. Your other thread is just as
>> irritating - shall I now babble in German and Latin and Japanese as well and
>> argue Julio-Claudian sociological and political beliefs just to prove . . .
>> what, exactly? Oh, and I can throw in some French as well if that'll
>> impress you.
>
> Babble in all those languages to prove you can be a pseudo-intellectual
> just as badly as she can.
>
>> Please post only to the other newgroups. If you have something relevant to
>> discuss *and* you're willing to play nice with others, then by all means,
>> please join us. We welcome others' views and insights. We do not welcome
>> their abuse.
>
> She is not willing to play nice. First time I saw her (via
> alt.fan.sailor-moon, where she also crossposted), she was openly hostile.
> Naturally, the fine folk there didn't like that and, well, returned fire.

Which is typical of the clique.

> She left, oddly enough, and we thought it was the last, though she tried
> reporting her story and, surprise, surprise, it got the same response.
> Seriously, plonking her is the best thing, though be ready for morphs.

--
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the feng shui thread is still alive but
the 'we would like to make friends' thread is ganna bee betta
SW:)
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Farix

15th January 2003, 02:36 AM

Don't feed the trolls, especially very old troll threads.

Farix

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sanjian

15th January 2003, 03:50 AM

"Celebhrive" <celebhrive@no.spam> wrote in message
news:b02gja$eho$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
> x-no-archive: yes

> soc.culture.japan is that way --->

Thread necromancy is a no-no. Especially thread necromancy to point out
that something long re-dead is OT.

AFSM Charter Enforcer

15th January 2003, 05:25 PM

sanjian wrote:
>
> Celebhrive wrote in message
> news:b02gja$eho$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
>> soc.culture.japan is that way --->
>
> Thread necromancy is a no-no. Especially thread necromancy to point out
> that something long re-dead is OT.

This subject is off-topic in this newsgroup and would be better posted
elsewhere. It is also violates this newsgroup's charter and any
further messages on this subject may result in an abuse report being
sent to your (and any other violator's) newsmaster and/or Internet
service provider.

AFSM Charter Enforcer

15th January 2003, 05:28 PM

Rob Kelk wrote:
>
> On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 10:31:59 -0600, milo@winternet.com wrote:
>
>> Adam Haun wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 03:33:26 GMT, sephigirl wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please post only to the other newgroups. If you have something
>>>> relevant to discuss *and* you're willing to play nice with
>>>> others, then by all means, please join us. We welcome others'
>>>> views and insights. We do not welcome their abuse.
>>>
>>> No, no, we don't want them either. The only place those messages
>>> are welcome is 127.0.0.1.
>>
>> Forgive my ignorance, but what address is 127.0.0.1?
>
> That's the internet address for "localhost" - i.e., the computer that's
> sending the post. My computer is 127.0.0.1 to my internet programs,
> your computer is 127.0.0.1 to your internet programs, and so on. (It's
> intended for software testing.)
>
> ObAnime... hmmmmm... okay, there is no ObAnime this time. Gomen.

This subject is off-topic in this newsgroup and would be better posted
elsewhere. It is also violates this newsgroup's charter and any
further messages on this subject may result in an abuse report being
sent to your (and any other violator's) newsmaster and/or Internet
service provider.

AFSM Charter Enforcer

15th January 2003, 05:31 PM

Farix wrote:
>
> Don't feed the trolls, especially very old troll threads.
>
> Farix

This subject is off-topic in this newsgroup and would be better posted
elsewhere. It is also violates this newsgroup's charter and any
further messages on this subject may result in an abuse report being
sent to your (and any other violator's) newsmaster and/or Internet
service provider.

Farix

15th January 2003, 09:13 PM

"AFSM Charter Enforcer" <afsm-charter@officials.co.uk> wrote in message
news:d501450f.0301150931.21404573@posting.google.c om...
> Farix wrote:
> >
> > Don't feed the trolls, especially very old troll threads.
> >
> > Farix
>
> This subject is off-topic in this newsgroup and would be better posted
> elsewhere. It is also violates this newsgroup's charter and any
> further messages on this subject may result in an abuse report being
> sent to your (and any other violator's) newsmaster and/or Internet
> service provider.

Which newsgroup? There are four that are being crossposted and this thread
is off-topic in every single one. And if you tried to report me for this,
then you're "reports" are going to be laughed at by the system admins before
being tossed into the bitbuck.

Save the "reporting to the ISP" for real problems instead of being an
arrogant dickhead over trivial stuff.

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Farix

15th January 2003, 09:30 PM

"Farix" <farix@citynet.net> wrote in message
news:3e25cf0e_2@corp.newsgroups.com...
> "AFSM Charter Enforcer" <afsm-charter@officials.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:d501450f.0301150931.21404573@posting.google.c om...
> > Farix wrote:
> > >
> > > Don't feed the trolls, especially very old troll threads.
> > >
> > > Farix
> >
> > This subject is off-topic in this newsgroup and would be better posted
> > elsewhere. It is also violates this newsgroup's charter and any
> > further messages on this subject may result in an abuse report being
> > sent to your (and any other violator's) newsmaster and/or Internet
> > service provider.
>
> Which newsgroup? There are four that are being crossposted and this
thread
> is off-topic in every single one. And if you tried to report me for this,
> then you're "reports" are going to be laughed at by the system admins
before
> being tossed into the bitbuck.
>
> Save the "reporting to the ISP" for real problems instead of being an
> arrogant dickhead over trivial stuff.

Let me also state that I've been around AFSM long enough to know that a
majority of posts there are off topic to begin with. So who appointed you
to be the topic police?

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Rob Kelk

16th January 2003, 01:32 AM

On 15 Jan 2003 09:28:34 -0800, afsm-charter@officials.co.uk (AFSM
Charter Enforcer) wrote:

>Rob Kelk wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 10:31:59 -0600, milo@winternet.com wrote:
>>
>>> Adam Haun wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 03:33:26 GMT, sephigirl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Please post only to the other newgroups. If you have something
>>>>> relevant to discuss *and* you're willing to play nice with
>>>>> others, then by all means, please join us. We welcome others'
>>>>> views and insights. We do not welcome their abuse.
>>>>
>>>> No, no, we don't want them either. The only place those messages
>>>> are welcome is 127.0.0.1.
>>>
>>> Forgive my ignorance, but what address is 127.0.0.1?
>>
>> That's the internet address for "localhost" - i.e., the computer that's
>> sending the post. My computer is 127.0.0.1 to my internet programs,
>> your computer is 127.0.0.1 to your internet programs, and so on. (It's
>> intended for software testing.)
>>
>> ObAnime... hmmmmm... okay, there is no ObAnime this time. Gomen.
>
>This subject is off-topic in this newsgroup and would be better posted
>elsewhere. It is also violates this newsgroup's charter and any
>further messages on this subject may result in an abuse report being
>sent to your (and any other violator's) newsmaster and/or Internet
>service provider.

Excuse me, but I maintain the FAQ for this group. I think I'm in a
better position to know what is and is not on-topic for this group than
you are.

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"When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear of
childishness and the desire to be very grown-up." - C.S. Lewis, 1947

Zoe

16th January 2003, 02:30 AM

Rob Kelk wrote:

>
> Excuse me, but I maintain the FAQ for this group. I think I'm in a
> better position to know what is and is not on-topic for this group than
> you are.

The poster was coming from the alt.fan.sailor-moon group.

Of course none of the afs-m posters support his post though.

--
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Chris Schack

16th January 2003, 06:37 PM

In article <d501450f.0301150925.59cdd767@posting.google.com>,
afsm-charter@officials.co.uk (AFSM Charter Enforcer) wrote:
>sanjian wrote:
>>
>> Celebhrive wrote in message
>> news:b02gja$eho$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>
>>> soc.culture.japan is that way --->
>>
>> Thread necromancy is a no-no. Especially thread necromancy to point out
>> that something long re-dead is OT.
>
>This subject is off-topic in this newsgroup and would be better posted
>elsewhere. It is also violates this newsgroup's charter and any
>further messages on this subject may result in an abuse report being
>sent to your (and any other violator's) newsmaster and/or Internet
>service provider.

This thread is now a meta-thread and, as such, can't really be considered
OT for these groups. It is, however, fairly useless.

Chris Schack

Celebhrive

17th January 2003, 03:16 PM

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Due to circumstances beyond our control, Chris Schack wrote:

> In article news:d501450f.0301150925.59cdd767@posting.google.c om,
> AFSM Charter Enforcer wrote:
>
>> sanjian wrote:
>>
>>> Celebhrive wrote in message
>>> news:b02gja$eho$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>>
>>>> soc.culture.japan is that way --->
>>>
>>> Thread necromancy is a no-no. Especially thread necromancy to point out
>>> that something long re-dead is OT.
>>
>> This subject is off-topic in this newsgroup and would be better posted
>> elsewhere. It is also violates this newsgroup's charter and any
>> further messages on this subject may result in an abuse report being
>> sent to your (and any other violator's) newsmaster and/or Internet
>> service provider.
>
> This thread is now a meta-thread and, as such, can't really be considered
> OT for these groups. It is, however, fairly useless.
>
> Chris Schack

All meta-threads are useless.