Syria Stingray
27th December 2002, 04:50 PM
Lev Tolstoi wrote that in the 19th century
null knowledge and unlimited presumption was all and
everything that the western Europe could expect
to receive from the typical Russian university students.
It is evident now that the same assumption applies very well
to the "modern" american(ized) kids.
How about reading through the complete works of
the authors I mentioned weeks ago? Then, MAYBE you will
start to want to understand things you have not wanted to
be aware of. Sayounara... I've had enough for this day.
But keep readig kudasai! There is more for you.
>>>>> Kevin TRAINOR Jr (kevintrainor@whipspam.att.net) wrote:
"Gillian von Karmann" <vonkarmann@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:32fc108e.0210070927.4a0b2ee3@posting.google.c om...
> Chris Kern <kern@grinnell.edu> wrote in message
news:<1vq1qu0i073een09006h06avc3l8j2cf8c@4ax.com>...
> > On 6 Oct 2002 17:45:16 -0700, takloufer@aol.com (takloufer) posted the
> > following:
> >
> > >*Warning*
> > >
> > >Spoilers
> > >
> > >For
> > >
> > >The
> > >
> > >First
> > >
> > >13
> > >
> > >Episodes
> > >
> > >And
> > >
> > >Movie
> > >
> > >Below
> > >
> > >*Warning*
> > >
> > >Hi,
> > >
> > > I now consider Shoujo
> > >Kakumei Utena one of my favorite TV Series of all time(rivaling The
> > >Prisoner and Blake's 7).
> >
> > I agree, although that didn't become clear for me until I had seen all
> > of the series (I think twice before I really decided it was my
> > favorite).
> >
> > >2) Does anyone know why Miki is constantly timing things with his
> > >stopwatch?
> >
> > Unknown. The series creator Ikuhara refuses to comment on this,
> > providing evasive answers like "I don't know, Miki never told me." or
> > just "It's a secret."
> Probably because "The End Of The (Human) World" has
> all things to do with "The End Of Time" itself.
> For more detailed info on this and related subjects
> you'd better read through the complete works of
> authors such as René Guénon and Julius Evola.
The apocalypse is not necessarily identical to the end of time,
especially if you don't accept the notion that time stops with
the end of humanity.
:: This is just your ignorant opinion OF COURSE.
> Anyway, IMNSHO, the only trouble in "Shoujo Kakumei Utena" is the
> assumption that the only admissible and possible end-of-the-world
> and world-revolution is the one that happened between 7/4/1776 and
> 7/14/1789.
>
This is quite a leap, considering that there is no reference
whatsoever
to American history, or indeed any history except that of Ohtori, made
anywhere in the series.
Unless I'm missing something in the Black Rose
Arc.
:: BINGO!
Considering that this is Japanese animation,
:: You are evidently ignoring the whole lot of westernization
:: that Niqpon has come thru since the christian 19th century.
:: Besides, it is easy for you to ignore that the bourgeois
:: self-entitled "revolution" WAS an end-of-the-world in many many
:: ways.
wouldn't they instead
refer to the Meiji Restoration, the establishment of the Tokugawa
Shogunate,
or perhaps to the postwar Constitution? Why would anything in SKUtena
relate to the American or French Revolutions?
:: NO COMMENTS.
> It's blatantly evident that Utena is just a Maitreya who
> cowardly refused the job that she had been called to do by Diós.
> (And in a similar way, Sailormoon celebrates the victory of the
> Antichrist themselves --- Hotaru is the actual Messiah, since she
> was born on January the 6th;
Unless you're Orthodox, January 6 is the Feast of the Epiphany,
when the Three Kings arrive in Bethlehem, eleven days after
Christmas. Judging from all the stuff you're stirring into this
particular mess of pottage, I think it's a safe assumption that
whatever your religion is, it's not Eastern Orthodox.
:: *Supposing* that you're correct... AND SO WHAT?
> Usagi's birthday is on June the 30th, *in
> Japan*, i.e., June the 29th in the westen hemisphere, so Sailormoon is
> just a symbol of the human fundament of the christianism, Petrus Romanus,
> whose second version is doomed to be eliminated by the next avatar
> of Vishnu, according to Malachiah et al. ---, whereas the infamous
> Crystal Tokyo is just the bourgeois corrupted version of New Jerusalem).
>
I don't know what you're smoking, but I don't want any.
:: Oh yeah, I know too well that actual knowledge and intelligence
:: are deadly harmful to your so very sensible brainless soul...
:: (I mean, head; "people" like yourself do not have soul, granted).
*****PERSONAL STUFF BELOW*****
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Ooi, mata. Again, _sorry 4 the excessively long
delay_.
--- davidpascal@juno.com wrote:
>
> Dear Gillian-P.:
>
> Long ago, I wrote, "excuse me for not replying
> earlier, incidentally; I
> am shamefully tardy in that respect at times," and
> you (most graciously)
> replied, "So am I as well."
Graciously or not, it's a fact.
> Ah, but not so bad as
> me. This one's far
> too late in coming. Gomen.
>
> You know, it's odd, given that our respective
> philosophies and styles are
> rather different, but I keep returning to you.
> Strangely, I find you to
> be (you may not take this as a compliment) sane.
> Please do not assume I
> use the word in the sense of 'normal' -- currently
> the antithesis of
> sanity.
Wholeheartedly I agree with you.
> I just find the sound of your voice to be
> -- honest. Blunt,
> but unflinching. Increasingly, I don't experience
> that. When I speak to
> people I find myself feeling that I'm not speaking
> to a person; rather,
> to a role; or not even that, a nonentity repeating
> truisms that are not
> true.
Ich verstehe. I know what you're talking about.
> That's never the case with you. There, I
> always know I'm talking
> to someone vivid, individual. It's a pleasure. An
> increasingly rare
> pleasure.
=^.^=
> Anyway. I don't really read the FFML at all
> nowadays. However, the gods
> insisted that I browse at least one FFML digest
> before deleting the lot.
> Wise gods! What an astonishing surprise to find a
> pointer to your story
> there! I thought immediately, (a) the best posting
> all year, and (b)
> absolute certainty that it would be ignored, if not
> censored. Because
> reading you, the principal impression I get is not
> Usagi but Gillian, and
> the comparisons I think of are not with 'The Eternal
> Lost Lurker' or
> similar buffoons, but with early William Burroughs
> or Kathy Acker.
> And
> quite frankly, presenting the material of either
> those two writers to the
> FFML is like presenting a volume of Rimbaud to Homer
> Simpson.
If you present James Joyce or Rainer Maria Rilke to
the FFMLers, or to the anime fandom "news"groups,
you WILL be called *troll!*, granted.
> You don't
> expect them to read it. You expect them to sniff
> it, nibble at it, and
> toss it away as they scamper gibbering off in search
> of roots and nuts.
> FFML readers want subsubsubliterature, and 99.9% of
> FFML writers post it.
> I expect they would find your work as
> indecipherable as quarto
> Shakespeare.
Yep.
> Incidentally -- I'm not kidding when I made the
> Burroughs comparison.
Ich glaube dich, certainly.
> Seriously, I think your piece compares not
> unfavorably to works of
> Burroughs like his Nova Express; and, perhaps,
> experimental venues or
> publishers that is where you should be sending it.
> Defined as
> 'pastiche', I believe copyright laws could not touch
> it. And expanded to
> a hundred pages or so, it might well be a good
> addition to the category
> that it belongs to -- serious experimental fiction,
> not 'fanfiction',
> that kindergarten.
Lev Tolstoi wrote that in the 19th century
null knowledge and unlimited praesumption was
all that the western Europe could always
expect to receive from
the typical Russian university students. I guess that
the same applies to the modern American kids -.-
> I won't press, though. Regarding your other comments
> (re: my dolorous
> mood), you wrote:
>
> >>1) You are an excellent actor/pretender sometimes;
> or/and 2) Talking
> and listening to your heart is not one of your daily
> habits.<<
>
> or: I rarely pretend. But my heart and I rarely
> communicate.
>
> >>But doesn't matter now. If you swear that you're
> oukee, less bad for
> both of us ^^ <<
>
> No, I'm not OK. Merely not beaten. To be honest, I
> have been rather
> down lately. Human stupidity -- it's an
> ever-thickening smog, and I'm
> choking. One can escape briefly into books, music,
> anime, but the
> surreal 'real' world always obtrudes.
Wakarimasu.
> >>By last, a politically incorrect question: Now
> that the American
> fascismus finally threw away its "democratic" mask,
> what is the sensation
> of living under it today?<<
>
> Ouch! That was the question that kept me from
> replying for so very long.
> You ask for a long essay, lady. And a horrible
> one. Know why? Because
> the sensation of living under American fascismus is
> -- really rather
> nice. Comfortable. Nay, pleasant. The bombs are
> poised to fall, the
> war machines roll from the assembly lines and off to
> the highest brutal
> bidders, prisons burst, civil liberties are shredded
> and -- who cares?
> We have our Coca-cola and cheeseburgers and cars and
> MTV, our DVDs and
> VCRs and sitcoms, Buffy
I'm looking for someone to torture and kill
the vampirehunters! Which is worse, Buffy or
the complete works of J.K. Rowling? Maybe
Paulo Coelho is even worse than they both
put together.
> and anime. If you are white
> and over a certain
> income level, life in America is quite pleasant.
> Granted, a corollary of
> this is that ghettos and jails and the Third World
> increasingly resembles
> Hades, but so what? Unpleasant to think about?
> Turn the channel. Take
> a pill!
>
> I have had an insight into fascism. Know what
> fascism is?
> Disassociation. A gap between act and response.
> Things are bad, but the
> bad things never appear. They're all offstage. You
> don't see them, and
> you don't feel them. It's not that there's
> censorship of the press;
> there's censorship by the press!
Yep. They are perfectly able to feel what is
"unsuitable for publishing/broadcasting" and what is
not.
> A censorship
> that's not even conscious
> of itself as such -- the media feed the people what
> they want to hear,
> and what they want to hear are not even sappy
> scenarios of flag-waving us
> versus subreptilian them, but just endless brainless
> 'entertainment'.
> America's being compared to the Romans now. What
> slanders upon the
> Imperium! The Romans were responsible. America is
> just endless
> infantile sprawl. Was it Freud who once said that
> if a child were
> all-powerful, it would destroy the world? This
> child really may.
Responsible or not, the Romans were much less of
hypocrites than this western pseudo-civilization.
If you showed the so-called "universal declaration of
the human(read: BOURGEOIS) rights" to a typical Roman
citizen, he would exclaim: Insanitas maxima!
Abominabile opus barbarorum insanorum!
Anyway, many times it does appear that the only
things that the modern world copied from Roma are
the Latin alphabet, the short hair for the males, and
the stupid puritanism of their décadence...
> >>Don't answer if you wish so --- but don't come
> call me names either,
> please ^^; <<
>
> I'll always answer -- gladly. And if I call you
> anything, it will be
> 'beautiful'. No cybersex intended, or fake
> gallantries. Most people
> make me wince. But you, never.
Until!
Deine wunderschöne Lorelei,
Gillian-P.
null knowledge and unlimited presumption was all and
everything that the western Europe could expect
to receive from the typical Russian university students.
It is evident now that the same assumption applies very well
to the "modern" american(ized) kids.
How about reading through the complete works of
the authors I mentioned weeks ago? Then, MAYBE you will
start to want to understand things you have not wanted to
be aware of. Sayounara... I've had enough for this day.
But keep readig kudasai! There is more for you.
>>>>> Kevin TRAINOR Jr (kevintrainor@whipspam.att.net) wrote:
"Gillian von Karmann" <vonkarmann@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:32fc108e.0210070927.4a0b2ee3@posting.google.c om...
> Chris Kern <kern@grinnell.edu> wrote in message
news:<1vq1qu0i073een09006h06avc3l8j2cf8c@4ax.com>...
> > On 6 Oct 2002 17:45:16 -0700, takloufer@aol.com (takloufer) posted the
> > following:
> >
> > >*Warning*
> > >
> > >Spoilers
> > >
> > >For
> > >
> > >The
> > >
> > >First
> > >
> > >13
> > >
> > >Episodes
> > >
> > >And
> > >
> > >Movie
> > >
> > >Below
> > >
> > >*Warning*
> > >
> > >Hi,
> > >
> > > I now consider Shoujo
> > >Kakumei Utena one of my favorite TV Series of all time(rivaling The
> > >Prisoner and Blake's 7).
> >
> > I agree, although that didn't become clear for me until I had seen all
> > of the series (I think twice before I really decided it was my
> > favorite).
> >
> > >2) Does anyone know why Miki is constantly timing things with his
> > >stopwatch?
> >
> > Unknown. The series creator Ikuhara refuses to comment on this,
> > providing evasive answers like "I don't know, Miki never told me." or
> > just "It's a secret."
> Probably because "The End Of The (Human) World" has
> all things to do with "The End Of Time" itself.
> For more detailed info on this and related subjects
> you'd better read through the complete works of
> authors such as René Guénon and Julius Evola.
The apocalypse is not necessarily identical to the end of time,
especially if you don't accept the notion that time stops with
the end of humanity.
:: This is just your ignorant opinion OF COURSE.
> Anyway, IMNSHO, the only trouble in "Shoujo Kakumei Utena" is the
> assumption that the only admissible and possible end-of-the-world
> and world-revolution is the one that happened between 7/4/1776 and
> 7/14/1789.
>
This is quite a leap, considering that there is no reference
whatsoever
to American history, or indeed any history except that of Ohtori, made
anywhere in the series.
Unless I'm missing something in the Black Rose
Arc.
:: BINGO!
Considering that this is Japanese animation,
:: You are evidently ignoring the whole lot of westernization
:: that Niqpon has come thru since the christian 19th century.
:: Besides, it is easy for you to ignore that the bourgeois
:: self-entitled "revolution" WAS an end-of-the-world in many many
:: ways.
wouldn't they instead
refer to the Meiji Restoration, the establishment of the Tokugawa
Shogunate,
or perhaps to the postwar Constitution? Why would anything in SKUtena
relate to the American or French Revolutions?
:: NO COMMENTS.
> It's blatantly evident that Utena is just a Maitreya who
> cowardly refused the job that she had been called to do by Diós.
> (And in a similar way, Sailormoon celebrates the victory of the
> Antichrist themselves --- Hotaru is the actual Messiah, since she
> was born on January the 6th;
Unless you're Orthodox, January 6 is the Feast of the Epiphany,
when the Three Kings arrive in Bethlehem, eleven days after
Christmas. Judging from all the stuff you're stirring into this
particular mess of pottage, I think it's a safe assumption that
whatever your religion is, it's not Eastern Orthodox.
:: *Supposing* that you're correct... AND SO WHAT?
> Usagi's birthday is on June the 30th, *in
> Japan*, i.e., June the 29th in the westen hemisphere, so Sailormoon is
> just a symbol of the human fundament of the christianism, Petrus Romanus,
> whose second version is doomed to be eliminated by the next avatar
> of Vishnu, according to Malachiah et al. ---, whereas the infamous
> Crystal Tokyo is just the bourgeois corrupted version of New Jerusalem).
>
I don't know what you're smoking, but I don't want any.
:: Oh yeah, I know too well that actual knowledge and intelligence
:: are deadly harmful to your so very sensible brainless soul...
:: (I mean, head; "people" like yourself do not have soul, granted).
*****PERSONAL STUFF BELOW*****
From Marsia Mariner Tue Dec 10 09:03:59 2002
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Ooi, mata. Again, _sorry 4 the excessively long
delay_.
--- davidpascal@juno.com wrote:
>
> Dear Gillian-P.:
>
> Long ago, I wrote, "excuse me for not replying
> earlier, incidentally; I
> am shamefully tardy in that respect at times," and
> you (most graciously)
> replied, "So am I as well."
Graciously or not, it's a fact.
> Ah, but not so bad as
> me. This one's far
> too late in coming. Gomen.
>
> You know, it's odd, given that our respective
> philosophies and styles are
> rather different, but I keep returning to you.
> Strangely, I find you to
> be (you may not take this as a compliment) sane.
> Please do not assume I
> use the word in the sense of 'normal' -- currently
> the antithesis of
> sanity.
Wholeheartedly I agree with you.
> I just find the sound of your voice to be
> -- honest. Blunt,
> but unflinching. Increasingly, I don't experience
> that. When I speak to
> people I find myself feeling that I'm not speaking
> to a person; rather,
> to a role; or not even that, a nonentity repeating
> truisms that are not
> true.
Ich verstehe. I know what you're talking about.
> That's never the case with you. There, I
> always know I'm talking
> to someone vivid, individual. It's a pleasure. An
> increasingly rare
> pleasure.
=^.^=
> Anyway. I don't really read the FFML at all
> nowadays. However, the gods
> insisted that I browse at least one FFML digest
> before deleting the lot.
> Wise gods! What an astonishing surprise to find a
> pointer to your story
> there! I thought immediately, (a) the best posting
> all year, and (b)
> absolute certainty that it would be ignored, if not
> censored. Because
> reading you, the principal impression I get is not
> Usagi but Gillian, and
> the comparisons I think of are not with 'The Eternal
> Lost Lurker' or
> similar buffoons, but with early William Burroughs
> or Kathy Acker.
> And
> quite frankly, presenting the material of either
> those two writers to the
> FFML is like presenting a volume of Rimbaud to Homer
> Simpson.
If you present James Joyce or Rainer Maria Rilke to
the FFMLers, or to the anime fandom "news"groups,
you WILL be called *troll!*, granted.
> You don't
> expect them to read it. You expect them to sniff
> it, nibble at it, and
> toss it away as they scamper gibbering off in search
> of roots and nuts.
> FFML readers want subsubsubliterature, and 99.9% of
> FFML writers post it.
> I expect they would find your work as
> indecipherable as quarto
> Shakespeare.
Yep.
> Incidentally -- I'm not kidding when I made the
> Burroughs comparison.
Ich glaube dich, certainly.
> Seriously, I think your piece compares not
> unfavorably to works of
> Burroughs like his Nova Express; and, perhaps,
> experimental venues or
> publishers that is where you should be sending it.
> Defined as
> 'pastiche', I believe copyright laws could not touch
> it. And expanded to
> a hundred pages or so, it might well be a good
> addition to the category
> that it belongs to -- serious experimental fiction,
> not 'fanfiction',
> that kindergarten.
Lev Tolstoi wrote that in the 19th century
null knowledge and unlimited praesumption was
all that the western Europe could always
expect to receive from
the typical Russian university students. I guess that
the same applies to the modern American kids -.-
> I won't press, though. Regarding your other comments
> (re: my dolorous
> mood), you wrote:
>
> >>1) You are an excellent actor/pretender sometimes;
> or/and 2) Talking
> and listening to your heart is not one of your daily
> habits.<<
>
> or: I rarely pretend. But my heart and I rarely
> communicate.
>
> >>But doesn't matter now. If you swear that you're
> oukee, less bad for
> both of us ^^ <<
>
> No, I'm not OK. Merely not beaten. To be honest, I
> have been rather
> down lately. Human stupidity -- it's an
> ever-thickening smog, and I'm
> choking. One can escape briefly into books, music,
> anime, but the
> surreal 'real' world always obtrudes.
Wakarimasu.
> >>By last, a politically incorrect question: Now
> that the American
> fascismus finally threw away its "democratic" mask,
> what is the sensation
> of living under it today?<<
>
> Ouch! That was the question that kept me from
> replying for so very long.
> You ask for a long essay, lady. And a horrible
> one. Know why? Because
> the sensation of living under American fascismus is
> -- really rather
> nice. Comfortable. Nay, pleasant. The bombs are
> poised to fall, the
> war machines roll from the assembly lines and off to
> the highest brutal
> bidders, prisons burst, civil liberties are shredded
> and -- who cares?
> We have our Coca-cola and cheeseburgers and cars and
> MTV, our DVDs and
> VCRs and sitcoms, Buffy
I'm looking for someone to torture and kill
the vampirehunters! Which is worse, Buffy or
the complete works of J.K. Rowling? Maybe
Paulo Coelho is even worse than they both
put together.
> and anime. If you are white
> and over a certain
> income level, life in America is quite pleasant.
> Granted, a corollary of
> this is that ghettos and jails and the Third World
> increasingly resembles
> Hades, but so what? Unpleasant to think about?
> Turn the channel. Take
> a pill!
>
> I have had an insight into fascism. Know what
> fascism is?
> Disassociation. A gap between act and response.
> Things are bad, but the
> bad things never appear. They're all offstage. You
> don't see them, and
> you don't feel them. It's not that there's
> censorship of the press;
> there's censorship by the press!
Yep. They are perfectly able to feel what is
"unsuitable for publishing/broadcasting" and what is
not.
> A censorship
> that's not even conscious
> of itself as such -- the media feed the people what
> they want to hear,
> and what they want to hear are not even sappy
> scenarios of flag-waving us
> versus subreptilian them, but just endless brainless
> 'entertainment'.
> America's being compared to the Romans now. What
> slanders upon the
> Imperium! The Romans were responsible. America is
> just endless
> infantile sprawl. Was it Freud who once said that
> if a child were
> all-powerful, it would destroy the world? This
> child really may.
Responsible or not, the Romans were much less of
hypocrites than this western pseudo-civilization.
If you showed the so-called "universal declaration of
the human(read: BOURGEOIS) rights" to a typical Roman
citizen, he would exclaim: Insanitas maxima!
Abominabile opus barbarorum insanorum!
Anyway, many times it does appear that the only
things that the modern world copied from Roma are
the Latin alphabet, the short hair for the males, and
the stupid puritanism of their décadence...
> >>Don't answer if you wish so --- but don't come
> call me names either,
> please ^^; <<
>
> I'll always answer -- gladly. And if I call you
> anything, it will be
> 'beautiful'. No cybersex intended, or fake
> gallantries. Most people
> make me wince. But you, never.
Until!
Deine wunderschöne Lorelei,
Gillian-P.