Re: Because Blade asked for it...!(Re: crushes on anime characters?)

[Hand-of-Omega]

Blade <kumonryuu@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<Xns92EDA3C70EC9Fkaliarules@66.185.95.104>...
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> > Shampoo vs. Sentaro
>
> Sentaro went for 12 hours straight with Ranma, and didn't lose.
> Shampoo didn't quite manage 12 seconds with Ranma.
>
> Even granting that Sentarou was fighting with Ranma in his own style,
> he'd still end up with a Nyuuchezu fiancee in short order.
>
These matches were picked at random, you know, using scattered pieces
of paper with Ranma characters' names on them...well, mostly.^^;

> > Konatsu vs. Lukkosai
>
> Fight for a bit, Lukkosai grabs Konatsu's chest, discovers Konatsu
> doesn't HAVE a chest, Konatsu creams him while he's stunned. It worked
> on Happousai, it'll work on his less-skilled companion.
>
I'm not convinced Lukky *is* less-skilled, tho...in addition to easily
stomping Ranma, he holds his own against a determined Happosai for
quite a while...

> > Mariko vs. Ryu
>
> Mariko? Mariko KONJOU?
> Versus Ryu? RYU KUMON?
>
> Oh come on, Dex. That's just MEAN. What did Mariko-chan ever do to you?
>
If she's fast and strong enough to knock out Ranma with a single kick,
I think she could hold her own, at least for a while. And I doubt
Ryu's fought someone with her kind of weird weaponary and tactics...

> > Ukyo vs. Asuza
>
> Hard to say, since we never really see Azusa fight much. But taking the
> telltale Goodby Whirl scene, Azusa's not really that superhumanly strong
> by Ranma standards, so unless they were fighting in a rink, Azusa'd
> almost certainly lose.

Well, let's see <gets out manga>: She's fast and sneaky enough to
successfully get under Ranma's guard several times. Strong enough to
hurt Ranma with her flying kicks. Apparently tough enough to take a
Goodbye Whirl landing without any real damage. Do you refer to her
letting Ranma go? That was because she was disoriented by an unusually
long Goodbye Whirl, not because of her strength or weakness...

> Even if they WERE in a rink, Ukyou's have a good
> chance if she can skate competently.

One thing is certain: That spatula's gettin' named.^^

>
> > Mikado vs. Kuno
>
> Given their respective performances against Ranma, probably Mikado.
>
I *think* Kuno's faster, plus he has ranged attacks...

> > Pantyhose Taro vs. Hinako-sensei
>
> If he has no clue what he's up against, Tarou loses.
> If he does know what he's up against, he throws a rock at her from twenty
> feet away and knocks her out cold.
>
And she promptly blasts it and any other projectiles out of the air
before draining him. Or is there an implied range to her power?

> > Kiima vs. Rouge
>
> Rouge has the edge in sheer blistering power, but Kiima has the edge in
> skill. It's really a tossup as to which of them gets off the first lucky
> hit, since neither of them can take much punishment.
>
Agreed, tho Rouge's heatwave aura's gonna play hell with local air
currents, making Kiima's manueverability iffy. And then there's the
lightburst she can do...

> > Akane vs. Akane-Kiima
>
> We never see Akane-Kiima fight, unfortunately. It would depend on
> whether she's ever been trained to fight in her heavier, non-flying human
> form.
>
<nod, nod>

> > Herb vs. Ranma (with Umisenken & Battle Dogi!)
>
> Well, normally Umisenken Ranma would -probably- cream Herb (tho it is
> barely possible that the ki-based invisibility of the Umisenken wouldn't
> work against or be instantly copied by Herb), but he gets into a fight
> with the Battle Dougi as he's trying to put it on, and Herb blasts them
> both while they're locked in combat.
>
^^

Couple more:

Shinnosuke vs. Lime

Mousse vs. Hayato

Mint vs. Kodachi

> > Dex,
> > relivin' the Nineties, yeah!<shakes fist>
>
> W00t!
>
Ah, Youth...<g>

Dex

[Blade]

smilinglord@hotmail.com (Hand-of-Omega) wrote in
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> Blade <kumonryuu@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> smilinglord@hotmail.com (Hand-of-Omega) wrote in
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>
>> > Shampoo vs. Sentaro
>>
>> Sentaro went for 12 hours straight with Ranma, and didn't lose.
>> Shampoo didn't quite manage 12 seconds with Ranma.
>>
>> Even granting that Sentarou was fighting with Ranma in his own
>> style, he'd still end up with a Nyuuchezu fiancee in short order.
>>
> These matches were picked at random, you know, using scattered
> pieces of paper with Ranma characters' names on them...well,
> mostly.^^;

Mostly? Some you actually wanted to see?

>> > Konatsu vs. Lukkosai
>>
>> Fight for a bit, Lukkosai grabs Konatsu's chest, discovers Konatsu
>> doesn't HAVE a chest, Konatsu creams him while he's stunned. It
>> worked on Happousai, it'll work on his less-skilled companion.
>>
> I'm not convinced Lukky *is* less-skilled, tho...in addition to
> easily stomping Ranma, he holds his own against a determined
> Happosai for quite a while...

I'll look again to check, but I remember pretty strong implications he
was weaker.

>> > Mariko vs. Ryu
>>
>> Mariko? Mariko KONJOU?
>> Versus Ryu? RYU KUMON?
>>
>> Oh come on, Dex. That's just MEAN. What did Mariko-chan ever do
>> to you?
>>
> If she's fast and strong enough to knock out Ranma with a single
> kick, I think she could hold her own, at least for a while. And I

Er, she knocked Ranma out with a blow from a baton, while he was
distracted.

Granted, this is still extremely impressive.

But Ryuu gutted a later-series Ranma (almost literally) in a fair match
that took less than a minute. Without breaking out his strongest
techniques. There's not much comparison here.

> doubt Ryu's fought someone with her kind of weird weaponary and
> tactics...

Sure, she might keep him off-balance for a bit. But she can't really
hurt him...he's a bloody monster. And I really, really doubt she can
take so much as a single hit from any technique he does.

>> > Ukyo vs. Asuza
>>
>> Hard to say, since we never really see Azusa fight much. But
>> taking the telltale Goodby Whirl scene, Azusa's not really that
>> superhumanly strong by Ranma standards, so unless they were
>> fighting in a rink, Azusa'd almost certainly lose.
>
> Well, let's see <gets out manga>: She's fast and sneaky enough to
> successfully get under Ranma's guard several times. Strong enough to

With the aid of distractions, in a skating arena when he can't skate.

> hurt Ranma with her flying kicks. Apparently tough enough to take a

Akane can hurt Ranma too. Not that big a feat, when you can get a clean
hit on him.

> Goodbye Whirl landing without any real damage. Do you refer to her

Huh? She never took a landing from the Goodbye Whirl, unless you count
when she used Ryouga as a fricking CUSHION.

> letting Ranma go? That was because she was disoriented by an
> unusually long Goodbye Whirl, not because of her strength or
> weakness...

Not according to her dialogue. "Little Azusa is all wore out!" and
"Oooh! I can't hold on!" indicate to me the strain of the move wore her
out. Besides, why would disorientation make her lose her grip?

>> Even if they WERE in a rink, Ukyou's have a good
>> chance if she can skate competently.
>
> One thing is certain: That spatula's gettin' named.^^

Probably.

>> > Mikado vs. Kuno
>>
>> Given their respective performances against Ranma, probably Mikado.
>>
> I *think* Kuno's faster, plus he has ranged attacks...

Err, what would make you think Kunou was faster? Mikado can actually
dodge SERIOUS attacks from Ranma, and skating skill or not, that's a hell
of a lot better than Kunou's ever done.

>> > Pantyhose Taro vs. Hinako-sensei
>>
>> If he has no clue what he's up against, Tarou loses.
>> If he does know what he's up against, he throws a rock at her from
>> twenty feet away and knocks her out cold.
>>
> And she promptly blasts it and any other projectiles out of the air
> before draining him. Or is there an implied range to her power?

Uh, and what exactly is she going to blast it with? She has to actually
drain him to get power. And if she has power starting the match, she'd
lose it all after one blast (as she does repeatedly in the series). So,
at most, two rocks. Or for that matter, one speedy approach and rap on
the head.

She's not a serious martial artist, so as long as he's willing to hurt
her (and there's no reason to think he wouldn't be), he can pretty easily
win. So could Ukyou, Shampoo or Kodachi, since they cream Hinako with
ease and could have easily pounded her unconscious if they hadn't stopped
to waste time gloating.

Ranma had a problem with Hinako because he was trying to push her
pressure points. If Principal Kuno had the same abilities, Ranma would
have plastered him in seconds.

>> > Kiima vs. Rouge
>>
>> Rouge has the edge in sheer blistering power, but Kiima has the
>> edge in skill. It's really a tossup as to which of them gets off
>> the first lucky hit, since neither of them can take much
>> punishment.
>>
> Agreed, tho Rouge's heatwave aura's gonna play hell with local air
> currents, making Kiima's manueverability iffy. And then there's the
> lightburst she can do...

Neither is a factor if Kiima maintains a decent distance, which she
almost certainly would, given Rouge's obvious dangerousness and Kiima's
main attack being effective at long range. And Rouge can't force her to
close, because her flying ability is pretty crap in comparison.

> Couple more:
>
> Shinnosuke vs. Lime

Unless Shinnosuke has something REALLY impressive up his ass he never
showed us, he can't hurt Lime. Eventually he's gonna get tagged.

> Mousse vs. Hayato

Hard to say, actually, since both of them are pretty close in the "above
Ukyou and Shampoo, but distinctly below Ryouga, Konatsu and Ranma" tier
(so's Mariko, tho my gut instinct is she could take either of them).
They both have decent mobility, a wide variety of weird weaponry, and
relatively good tactical skill. Hayato seems less inclined to get
-distracted- by rage, so I'd give it to him if I had to guess, but I
honestly think this one is quite close to a toss-up.

> Mint vs. Kodachi

Okay, she's much more clever than him, and is a woman in a leotard, so
she could probably trick him into losing. But if for whatever reason he
was fighting seriously, he'd fillet her.


Blade

[Dave Menard]

"Blade" wrote:

>
> >> > Kiima vs. Rouge
> >>
> >> Rouge has the edge in sheer blistering power, but Kiima has the
> >> edge in skill. It's really a tossup as to which of them gets off
> >> the first lucky hit, since neither of them can take much
> >> punishment.
> >>
> > Agreed, tho Rouge's heatwave aura's gonna play hell with local air
> > currents, making Kiima's manueverability iffy. And then there's the
> > lightburst she can do...
>
> Neither is a factor if Kiima maintains a decent distance, which she
> almost certainly would, given Rouge's obvious dangerousness and Kiima's
> main attack being effective at long range. And Rouge can't force her to
> close, because her flying ability is pretty crap in comparison.

Leaving *that* aside, I'd think that Kiima, being intimately aware of the
ins-and-outs of Jusenkyo might recognize Rouge for an Ashuraniichuan(sp?)
victim and nail her with some hot water. Or has that been tried? I'm only
familiar with Rouge from fanfic, so I admit to ignorance of canon, here.


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[Blade]

"Dave Menard" <menard5078NO@SPAMrogers.com> wrote in
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>
> "Blade" wrote:
>
>>
>> >> > Kiima vs. Rouge
>> >>
>> >> Rouge has the edge in sheer blistering power, but Kiima has the
>> >> edge in skill. It's really a tossup as to which of them gets
>> >> off the first lucky hit, since neither of them can take much
>> >> punishment.
>> >>
>> > Agreed, tho Rouge's heatwave aura's gonna play hell with local
>> > air currents, making Kiima's manueverability iffy. And then
>> > there's the lightburst she can do...
>>
>> Neither is a factor if Kiima maintains a decent distance, which she
>> almost certainly would, given Rouge's obvious dangerousness and
>> Kiima's main attack being effective at long range. And Rouge can't
>> force her to close, because her flying ability is pretty crap in
>> comparison.
>
> Leaving *that* aside, I'd think that Kiima, being intimately aware
> of the ins-and-outs of Jusenkyo might recognize Rouge for an
> Ashuraniichuan(sp?) victim and nail her with some hot water. Or has
> that been tried? I'm only familiar with Rouge from fanfic, so I
> admit to ignorance of canon, here.

A good point. However, it IS difficult to get her with hot water, as
Tarou and Ranma found, largely because she can turn up her ambient heat
to the point of boiling off any nearby sources of water (she also used
some of her heat-based blasts to prevent Tarou from transforming).
Still, Kiima's not stupid, so it's possible she might lure Rouge over
some major source of water at pressure (like the Water Citadel!) then use
her technique to rip it apart, sending water spraying in such quantities
that Rouge couldn't boil it all away (but her attempts would heat it up
enough to change her back).

It'd still be tricky, though, mostly due to finding a proper source of
water and luring Rouge into the correct position. Another way would be
to wait for a sudden rainshower (that worked for Tarou), but that might
be difficult if they're not fighting in Tokyo...

Blade

[Hand-of-Omega]

Blade <kumonryuu@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<Xns92EE119A46AF0kaliarules@66.185.95.104>...

> > These matches were picked at random, you know, using scattered
> > pieces of paper with Ranma characters' names on them...well,
> > mostly.^^;
>
> Mostly? Some you actually wanted to see?
>
See below.

> >> > Konatsu vs. Lukkosai
> >>
> >> Fight for a bit, Lukkosai grabs Konatsu's chest, discovers Konatsu
> >> doesn't HAVE a chest, Konatsu creams him while he's stunned. It
> >> worked on Happousai, it'll work on his less-skilled companion.
> >>
> > I'm not convinced Lukky *is* less-skilled, tho...in addition to
> > easily stomping Ranma, he holds his own against a determined
> > Happosai for quite a while...
>
> I'll look again to check, but I remember pretty strong implications he
> was weaker.

His reliance on the weapons/trappings of his style make him a little
easier to counter...

Incidentally, how do you read Konatsu's fight with Happosai? Was he
really just taking a bath, just (luckily) happened to be molested by
Happy, and responded appropriately? Or was the whole thing a
deliberate trap?
>
> >> > Mariko vs. Ryu
> >>
> >> Mariko? Mariko KONJOU?
> >> Versus Ryu? RYU KUMON?
> >>
> >> Oh come on, Dex. That's just MEAN. What did Mariko-chan ever do
> >> to you?
> >>
> > If she's fast and strong enough to knock out Ranma with a single
> > kick, I think she could hold her own, at least for a while. And I
>
> Er, she knocked Ranma out with a blow from a baton, while he was
> distracted.
>
Bad Memory! No biscuit!! That's right, it was the extending baton,
wasn't it?

> Granted, this is still extremely impressive.
>
It's a hard move to see coming...

> But Ryuu gutted a later-series Ranma (almost literally) in a fair match
> that took less than a minute. Without breaking out his strongest
> techniques. There's not much comparison here.
>
> > doubt Ryu's fought someone with her kind of weird weaponary and
> > tactics...
>
> Sure, she might keep him off-balance for a bit. But she can't really
> hurt him...he's a bloody monster. And I really, really doubt she can
> take so much as a single hit from any technique he does.

All true...I think she'll last a while due to her speed and agility,
tho whether that's enough to save her when he starts randomly
scattering Demon God Bombs...
>
> >> > Ukyo vs. Asuza
> >>
> >> Hard to say, since we never really see Azusa fight much. But
> >> taking the telltale Goodby Whirl scene, Azusa's not really that
> >> superhumanly strong by Ranma standards, so unless they were
> >> fighting in a rink, Azusa'd almost certainly lose.
> >
> > Well, let's see <gets out manga>: She's fast and sneaky enough to
> > successfully get under Ranma's guard several times. Strong enough to
>
> With the aid of distractions, in a skating arena when he can't skate.
>
> > hurt Ranma with her flying kicks. Apparently tough enough to take a
>
> Akane can hurt Ranma too. Not that big a feat, when you can get a clean
> hit on him.
>
> > Goodbye Whirl landing without any real damage. Do you refer to her
>
> Huh? She never took a landing from the Goodbye Whirl, unless you count
> when she used Ryouga as a fricking CUSHION.
>
I was talking about the first one, but looking at it again, it's more
likely that Mikado caught her.

> > letting Ranma go? That was because she was disoriented by an
> > unusually long Goodbye Whirl, not because of her strength or
> > weakness...
>
> Not according to her dialogue. "Little Azusa is all wore out!" and
> "Oooh! I can't hold on!" indicate to me the strain of the move wore her
> out. Besides, why would disorientation make her lose her grip?

Up to interpretation, but I'll concede this.
>
> >> Even if they WERE in a rink, Ukyou's have a good
> >> chance if she can skate competently.
> >
> > One thing is certain: That spatula's gettin' named.^^
>
> Probably.
>
I like Rob's "Helene" suggestion!^^

> >> > Mikado vs. Kuno
> >>
> >> Given their respective performances against Ranma, probably Mikado.
> >>
> > I *think* Kuno's faster, plus he has ranged attacks...
>
> Err, what would make you think Kunou was faster? Mikado can actually
> dodge SERIOUS attacks from Ranma, and skating skill or not, that's a hell
> of a lot better than Kunou's ever done.

The Watermelon Trick. Combat technique or not, it still shows that
Kuno's no slouch...even late-series Ranma couldn't find a weakness in
the striking pattern.

Incidentally, how good do you think Mikado would be off-ice?
>
> >> > Pantyhose Taro vs. Hinako-sensei
> >>
> >> If he has no clue what he's up against, Tarou loses.
> >> If he does know what he's up against, he throws a rock at her from
> >> twenty feet away and knocks her out cold.
> >>
> > And she promptly blasts it and any other projectiles out of the air
> > before draining him. Or is there an implied range to her power?
>
> Uh, and what exactly is she going to blast it with? She has to actually
> drain him to get power. And if she has power starting the match, she'd
> lose it all after one blast (as she does repeatedly in the series). So,
> at most, two rocks. Or for that matter, one speedy approach and rap on
> the head.
>
> She's not a serious martial artist, so as long as he's willing to hurt
> her (and there's no reason to think he wouldn't be), he can pretty easily
> win. So could Ukyou, Shampoo or Kodachi, since they cream Hinako with
> ease and could have easily pounded her unconscious if they hadn't stopped
> to waste time gloating.
>
> Ranma had a problem with Hinako because he was trying to push her
> pressure points. If Principal Kuno had the same abilities, Ranma would
> have plastered him in seconds.
>
Hinako is *exceptionally* fast, tho. Remember, she executed her
draining manuever (speech, gestures and all) when Happosai attacked
with his all-out Battle Aura, *at point blank range*! And she drained
Ranma several times when he attacked her at full speed from a close
ambush (I don't buy the argument that the pressure point attack took
significantly more effort than a straight attack--it does obviously
take *more* effort, but Ranma's training enables him to execute
complex actions at such high speeds).

> >> > Kiima vs. Rouge
> >>
> >> Rouge has the edge in sheer blistering power, but Kiima has the
> >> edge in skill. It's really a tossup as to which of them gets off
> >> the first lucky hit, since neither of them can take much
> >> punishment.
> >>
> > Agreed, tho Rouge's heatwave aura's gonna play hell with local air
> > currents, making Kiima's manueverability iffy. And then there's the
> > lightburst she can do...
>
> Neither is a factor if Kiima maintains a decent distance, which she
> almost certainly would, given Rouge's obvious dangerousness and Kiima's
> main attack being effective at long range. And Rouge can't force her to
> close, because her flying ability is pretty crap in comparison.
>
So long as Kiima is within line-of-sight, the sunburst is an effective
tactic. And I haven't seen enough of her flying to determine if she
could dodge Rouge's various energy attacks as well as Taro could. As
for Rouge, her flight abilities allowed her to literally dance all
around Taro, and we know how fast and manueverable he is. Her biggest
problem with Kiima's attacks is that you can't really *see* them
coming...

> > Couple more:
> >
> > Shinnosuke vs. Lime
>
> Unless Shinnosuke has something REALLY impressive up his ass he never
> showed us, he can't hurt Lime. Eventually he's gonna get tagged.
>
Unless Lime wears himself out first, charging him so much. And lots of
experience taking out giant monsters might give him some edge in
combatting Tiger-boy. Still, even one glancing hit, and he's toast.

> > Mousse vs. Hayato
>
> Hard to say, actually, since both of them are pretty close in the "above
> Ukyou and Shampoo, but distinctly below Ryouga, Konatsu and Ranma" tier
> (so's Mariko, tho my gut instinct is she could take either of them).
> They both have decent mobility, a wide variety of weird weaponry, and
> relatively good tactical skill. Hayato seems less inclined to get
> -distracted- by rage, so I'd give it to him if I had to guess, but I
> honestly think this one is quite close to a toss-up.
>
<nod, nod> THIS I'd like to see...

> > Mint vs. Kodachi
>
> Okay, she's much more clever than him, and is a woman in a leotard, so
> she could probably trick him into losing. But if for whatever reason he
> was fighting seriously, he'd fillet her.
>
Sou, desu ne!

Dex

[Hand-of-Omega]

Blade <kumonryuu@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<Xns92EE7FD7869ACkaliarules@66.185.95.104>...
> "Dave Menard" <menard5078NO@SPAMrogers.com> wrote in
> news:tJYN9.40088$E_.10812@news02.bloor.is.net.cabl e.rogers.com:
[snip]
>
> > Leaving *that* aside, I'd think that Kiima, being intimately aware
> > of the ins-and-outs of Jusenkyo might recognize Rouge for an
> > Ashuraniichuan(sp?) victim and nail her with some hot water. Or has
> > that been tried? I'm only familiar with Rouge from fanfic, so I
> > admit to ignorance of canon, here.
>
[snip]
> It'd still be tricky, though, mostly due to finding a proper source of
> water and luring Rouge into the correct position. Another way would be
> to wait for a sudden rainshower (that worked for Tarou), but that might
> be difficult if they're not fighting in Tokyo...
>
It shouldn't be TOO hard, esp. in a city environment, where Kiima
could slash open one of those roof-mounted resevoirs (assuming she
knows what they are; a city-girl she ain't!).

One thing neither of you have mentioned tho, is that Kiima herself has
a Jusenkyo curse that greatly weakens her, and that any attempt to
splash Rouge can very easily get her as well or instead. Which would
be very bad if they're both more than a few feet over the
ground...OTOH, if they are on the ground, then it degenerates into a
hair-pulling, eye-gouging catfight!^^

Just kidding; Kiima easily slaughters Rouge, dunks her head in cold
water, and brings the tri-partite head back to Phoenix Mountain for
great Reknown.

Dex