[FFML] [Ranma] The New Lifestyle

[Cute Neko Hibiki]

Ranma and Ryoga were walking down the road.

"Just think Ryoga, 10 more miles and we get to Jusenkyo!" exclaimed
Ranma.

"Yeah, and then I'll finally be free of the pig!" exclaimed Ryoga.

"And I'm... I'.ll... I... don't know what I'll do, since I'm gonna keep
my curse." said Ranma

"You are!?" asked Ryoga. "Why?!"

"So I can keep dating all those hot lesbians." said Ranma.

"Hey, good point." said Ryoga. "Hmmm... Maybe I should get a girl curse
too."

***

3 weeks later

"Man." said Ryoga-chan. "I can't believe how many lesbians I've been
with since getting this curse."

"Yeah." said Ranma-chan. "I know what you mean. They just keep coming
after me too."

"They seem to be coming after me more though." said Ryoga-chan.

"Well you are blonde." said Ranma-chan.

"What do you wanna do?" asked Ryoga-chan.

"Let's run away, change our identities, and live a life of passionate
lesbian love." said Ranma-chan.

"That sounds great to me." said Ryoga-chan.

"Yes." said Ranma-chan.

***

The two ran away, and Ryoga-chan took the name Haruka Tenou, and
Ranma-chan died her hair green and took the name Micharu Kaio.

They had a great life, met some young super-powered girls, and had one
heck of time getting to Crystal Tokyo as well.

The End.

AN : Hope you like it, I made sure to put a 'the end' instead of a 'to be
continued' on this since it's over.

P.S. Here's Ryoga-chan's cursed form, no wonder Ranma-chan suggested they
run away together, I sure would.^_^
http://www.okami-san.net/images/16khit.jpg . Yeah.



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[June Geraci]

Well, that was a complete waste of time to read...


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Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 5:01 PM
Subject: [FFML] [Ranma] The New Lifestyle


|
| Ranma and Ryoga were walking down the road.
|
| "Just think Ryoga, 10 more miles and we get to Jusenkyo!"
exclaimed
| Ranma.
|
| "Yeah, and then I'll finally be free of the pig!" exclaimed
Ryoga.
|
| "And I'm... I'.ll... I... don't know what I'll do, since I'm
gonna keep
| my curse." said Ranma
|
| "You are!?" asked Ryoga. "Why?!"
|
| "So I can keep dating all those hot lesbians." said Ranma.
|
| "Hey, good point." said Ryoga. "Hmmm... Maybe I should get a
girl curse
| too."
|
| ***
|
| 3 weeks later
|
| "Man." said Ryoga-chan. "I can't believe how many lesbians
I've been
| with since getting this curse."
|
| "Yeah." said Ranma-chan. "I know what you mean. They just keep
coming
| after me too."
|
| "They seem to be coming after me more though." said
Ryoga-chan.
|
| "Well you are blonde." said Ranma-chan.
|
| "What do you wanna do?" asked Ryoga-chan.
|
| "Let's run away, change our identities, and live a life of
passionate
| lesbian love." said Ranma-chan.
|
| "That sounds great to me." said Ryoga-chan.
|
| "Yes." said Ranma-chan.
|
| ***
|
| The two ran away, and Ryoga-chan took the name Haruka Tenou,
and
| Ranma-chan died her hair green and took the name Micharu Kaio.
|
| They had a great life, met some young super-powered girls, and
had one
| heck of time getting to Crystal Tokyo as well.
|
| The End.
|
| AN : Hope you like it, I made sure to put a 'the end' instead of a
'to be
| continued' on this since it's over.
|
| P.S. Here's Ryoga-chan's cursed form, no wonder Ranma-chan
suggested they
| run away together, I sure would.^_^
| http://www.okami-san.net/images/16khit.jpg . Yeah.
|
|
|
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[Nick Leifker]

This could have been fun.

Could have.

Problem is, it was written without thought, without contemplation of
the choices possible. You practically pushed Ranma and Ryouga into the
romp together, without contemplating past obligations, without looking
at what makes these characters tick.

You claim that you're tired of people complaining about your work.
Fine. Put thought into your work; put effort into your work. You want
Ranma and Ryouga together as Michiru and Haruka? Okay; what needs to
happen to make that final result occur? How do they need to be
affected by events in order to get there?

Hate to say it, but going off and saying, "You know, Ranma could
suggest it to Ryouga, and then..." just isn't going to cut the mustard.
It is plausible that Ranma would like the feel of sex as a woman, and
would want to keep her curse. However, that's something that would
happen from experience. The whole 'picking up lesbians' thing? Ranma
has sexual relationship problems with women already; sorry, that's
going to need a much different explanation, one that will affect future
situations in this story. Ryouga, if given a choice between not being
cursed and being cursed as a woman, wouldn't go for the Nyannichuan
curse unless he had some dysphoria issues that aren't indicated in the
manga or anime - issues that WOULD show up rather painfully in his
thought processes. So it may be best to have the Nannichuan closed for
the day or something similar, so that the Nyannichuan is his only
choice.

See, all of that needs to be considered when writing JUST THAT FIRST
PART, if you're going to write something that makes sense. That
doesn't include the process for Ryouga from boy to girl to raging
lesbian, or Ranma to a similar state. Finally, it doesn't include
Ranma and Ryouga running away to do the Sailor Moon thing. ALL of
these, in a decent work, need to be thought out and planned, and that
didn't happen here.

Then... after THAT... you have to think about how you want to present
it; you don't necessarily have to go a pure chronological route.
Perhaps at morning coffee at Haruka and Michiru's home, as they talk
about the past? How about as the pair spar together - Ranma's fluid
style accentuated by added grace and Ryouga's power undiminished by her
own change? Even if you do go for the chronological route, there's
still the matter of what scenes you show - and how. When Ryouga faces
the springs, what is he thinking and why? How would Ryouga feel once
she got her new body? How does Ryouga get introduced to lesbian sex;
does Ranma introduce her to the joys of a female body? Here, it's
just, "Let's get Ranma-chan and Ryouga-chan as Haruka and Michiru as
fast as possible, without thinking about how they get there." As with
character logic, there's no thought presented here - at all.

To be honest, giving either of these - thought about character logic,
and thought about presentation - would make the story forgivable. Back
in the day, Jeff Rutsch skewered the Ranma characters into something
mind-boggling - but he did it with panache, and he did it with serious
thought in regards to style and technique. Problem is, neither gets
done with this story. You don't think about logic or presentation; you
just take an idea and barf it onto a computer, regardless of style or
sense. Either one would get my thanks, especially because "out-there"
Ranma works aren't that common. Because it clearly has neither, this
story only earns my contempt.

-- Nick


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[Cute Neko Hibiki]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Leifker" <nightelf (AT) thekeep (DOT) org>
To: "Cute Neko Hibiki" <wbanks (AT) jam (DOT) rr.com>
Cc: "FFML" <ffml (AT) anifics (DOT) com>
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 6:59 PM
Subject: [FFML] Re: [Ranma] The New Lifestyle


> This could have been fun.
>
> Could have.
>
> Problem is, it was written without thought, without contemplation of
> the choices possible.

What did you expect from a teenage girl who flunked her english class, ny
bestseller?



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[Andrew Petalik]

>>This could have been fun.
>>
>>Could have.
>>
>>Problem is, it was written without thought, without contemplation of
>>the choices possible.
>>
>>
>
>What did you expect from a teenage girl who flunked her english class, ny
>bestseller?
>
>
You're missing the point. If you were able to write best-sellers, you
wouldn't be posting stuff here.
On top of which, the complaint about this story had nothing to do with
your English. It had to do with a series of events occurring which made
no sense and went nowhere.

So far, I've seen a couple of very helpful critiques of your post. You
should pay close attention what was said.

The points that were brought up are as follows:
1- You have Ranma and Ryoga both start chasing after lesbians before
going after each other. Why? Dare I suggest that this is a fetish of
yours that you wanted to quickly play out?
2- There is no logical progression for them to go the direction you've
pointed them in.
3- Both Ranma and Ryouga are wildly out of character. Unless you can
give some reason for them to do this, no one will accept it. If you've
read "They Outward Part", you may find some insight on how the author
takes a character and gets him to accept a situation which, under all
other circumstances, would be utterly out of character for him. Hell,
even a knock on the head giving them both amnesia would at least be
something.
4- What you posted is like an except from a larger story. I could almost
envision taking a book and opening it half way and reading such a passage.

In short, what you posted was an idea. Not a story. The idea should
either be considered the skeleton or perhaps the goal of the story. If
you take what you wrote and build a framework around it, you'll be going
the right direction.

If you want the rest of the FFML to take you seriously, you have to give
some thought to what you are trying to get across when you write something.

What is it you want the characters to do?
Why do you think the players would do something... especially if it is
out of character?
How will other characters react when someone does something? In many
cases, just getting to the goal is not enough. The conflict the
characters cause as you move them to the goal is often more important
than the goal itself.

FYI: Ranma and Ryoga becoming lesbian lovers has been done before. The
trick is not getting them together. It's getting them together in such a
way that the audience believe it could be possible.

--
___________
/ Here lies:\ Ryougasai... the eternal lost hentai.
| Andrew |
| |
| I think | Andrew Petalik
| he's hungry | Opportunity knocks but rarely. Don't let it
| | slip between your fingers when it does.


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[Cute Neko Hibiki]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Petalik" <wolf (AT) magma (DOT) ca>
To: "FFML" <ffml (AT) anifics (DOT) com>
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 8:20 PM
Subject: [FFML] Re: [Ranma] The New Lifestyle


>
>>>This could have been fun.
>>>
>>>Could have.
>>>
>>>Problem is, it was written without thought, without contemplation of
>>>the choices possible.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>What did you expect from a teenage girl who flunked her english class, ny
>>bestseller?
>>
>>
> You're missing the point. If you were able to write best-sellers, you
> wouldn't be posting stuff here.
> On top of which, the complaint about this story had nothing to do with
> your English. It had to do with a series of events occurring which made
> no sense and went nowhere.
>
> So far, I've seen a couple of very helpful critiques of your post. You
> should pay close attention what was said.
>
> The points that were brought up are as follows:
> 1- You have Ranma and Ryoga both start chasing after lesbians before
> going after each other. Why? Dare I suggest that this is a fetish of
> yours that you wanted to quickly play out?

I'm a lesbian.

> 2- There is no logical progression for them to go the direction you've
> pointed them in.

Ummm... there isn't?

> 3- Both Ranma and Ryouga are wildly out of character. Unless you can
> give some reason for them to do this, no one will accept it. If you've
> read "They Outward Part", you may find some insight on how the author
> takes a character and gets him to accept a situation which, under all
> other circumstances, would be utterly out of character for him. Hell,
> even a knock on the head giving them both amnesia would at least be
> something.

What is 'they outward part'?

> 4- What you posted is like an except from a larger story. I could almost
> envision taking a book and opening it half way and reading such a passage.

Thought I did better than that, sorry.:(

> In short, what you posted was an idea. Not a story. The idea should
> either be considered the skeleton or perhaps the goal of the story. If
> you take what you wrote and build a framework around it, you'll be going
> the right direction.

How?

> If you want the rest of the FFML to take you seriously, you have to give
> some thought to what you are trying to get across when you write
> something.
>
> What is it you want the characters to do?
> Why do you think the players would do something... especially if it is
> out of character?
> How will other characters react when someone does something? In many
> cases, just getting to the goal is not enough. The conflict the
> characters cause as you move them to the goal is often more important
> than the goal itself.

To all the above questions, I dunno.

> FYI: Ranma and Ryoga becoming lesbian lovers has been done before. The
> trick is not getting them together. It's getting them together in such a
> way that the audience believe it could be possible.

What's the url for this fic, please?

> --
> ___________
> / Here lies:\ Ryougasai... the eternal lost hentai.
> | Andrew |
> | |
> | I think | Andrew Petalik
> | he's hungry | Opportunity knocks but rarely. Don't let it
> | | slip between your fingers when it does.



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[David Taylor]

utterly unnecessary flame... this was obviously a light-hearted spamfic not
to be taken in any way seriously

Dave



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Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 18:59
Subject: [FFML] Re: [Ranma] The New Lifestyle


> This could have been fun.
>
> Could have.
>
> Problem is, it was written without thought, without contemplation of
> the choices possible. You practically pushed Ranma and Ryouga into the
> romp together, without contemplating past obligations, without looking
> at what makes these characters tick.
>
> You claim that you're tired of people complaining about your work.
> Fine. Put thought into your work; put effort into your work. You want
> Ranma and Ryouga together as Michiru and Haruka? Okay; what needs to
> happen to make that final result occur? How do they need to be
> affected by events in order to get there?
>
> Hate to say it, but going off and saying, "You know, Ranma could
> suggest it to Ryouga, and then..." just isn't going to cut the mustard.
> It is plausible that Ranma would like the feel of sex as a woman, and
> would want to keep her curse. However, that's something that would
> happen from experience. The whole 'picking up lesbians' thing? Ranma
> has sexual relationship problems with women already; sorry, that's
> going to need a much different explanation, one that will affect future
> situations in this story. Ryouga, if given a choice between not being
> cursed and being cursed as a woman, wouldn't go for the Nyannichuan
> curse unless he had some dysphoria issues that aren't indicated in the
> manga or anime - issues that WOULD show up rather painfully in his
> thought processes. So it may be best to have the Nannichuan closed for
> the day or something similar, so that the Nyannichuan is his only
> choice.
>
> See, all of that needs to be considered when writing JUST THAT FIRST
> PART, if you're going to write something that makes sense. That
> doesn't include the process for Ryouga from boy to girl to raging
> lesbian, or Ranma to a similar state. Finally, it doesn't include
> Ranma and Ryouga running away to do the Sailor Moon thing. ALL of
> these, in a decent work, need to be thought out and planned, and that
> didn't happen here.
>
> Then... after THAT... you have to think about how you want to present
> it; you don't necessarily have to go a pure chronological route.
> Perhaps at morning coffee at Haruka and Michiru's home, as they talk
> about the past? How about as the pair spar together - Ranma's fluid
> style accentuated by added grace and Ryouga's power undiminished by her
> own change? Even if you do go for the chronological route, there's
> still the matter of what scenes you show - and how. When Ryouga faces
> the springs, what is he thinking and why? How would Ryouga feel once
> she got her new body? How does Ryouga get introduced to lesbian sex;
> does Ranma introduce her to the joys of a female body? Here, it's
> just, "Let's get Ranma-chan and Ryouga-chan as Haruka and Michiru as
> fast as possible, without thinking about how they get there." As with
> character logic, there's no thought presented here - at all.
>
> To be honest, giving either of these - thought about character logic,
> and thought about presentation - would make the story forgivable. Back
> in the day, Jeff Rutsch skewered the Ranma characters into something
> mind-boggling - but he did it with panache, and he did it with serious
> thought in regards to style and technique. Problem is, neither gets
> done with this story. You don't think about logic or presentation; you
> just take an idea and barf it onto a computer, regardless of style or
> sense. Either one would get my thanks, especially because "out-there"
> Ranma works aren't that common. Because it clearly has neither, this
> story only earns my contempt.
>
> -- Nick
>
>
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[The Eternal Lost Lurker]

> > This could have been fun.
> >
> > Could have.
> >
> > Problem is, it was written without thought, without contemplation of
> > the choices possible.
>
> What did you expect from a teenage girl who flunked her english class, ny
> bestseller?

*bashes head on desk until brain leaks out*

Make it stop...please, make it stop...

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[The Eternal Lost Lurker]

> Well, that was a complete waste of time to read...

It's a CKK "fic", what do you *expect*?

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[The Eternal Lost Lurker]

> utterly unnecessary flame... this was obviously a light-hearted spamfic
not
> to be taken in any way seriously

Yyyyyyyeah...that would've flown about ten years ago, before the rest of us
realised what CKK is and why it's pointless to do anything but pray it'll
eventually get bored and go away.


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[StudioPC]

On Jun 26, 2006, at 11:36 PM, The Eternal Lost Lurker wrote:

>> utterly unnecessary flame... this was obviously a light-hearted
>> spamfic
> not
>> to be taken in any way seriously
>
> Yyyyyyyeah...that would've flown about ten years ago, before the
> rest of us
> realised what CKK is and why it's pointless to do anything but pray
> it'll
> eventually get bored and go away.

Never gonna happen, sadly.

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[Nicolas BRICHE]

StudioPC a écrit :
> On Jun 26, 2006, at 11:36 PM, The Eternal Lost Lurker wrote:
>
>>> utterly unnecessary flame... this was obviously a light-hearted
>>> spamfic
>> not
>>> to be taken in any way seriously
>> Yyyyyyyeah...that would've flown about ten years ago, before the
>> rest of us
>> realised what CKK is and why it's pointless to do anything but pray
>> it'll
>> eventually get bored and go away.
>
> Never gonna happen, sadly.

I don't know... The Ranma forum managed to do that, what, three years
ago? Of course, they had to use the big guns. I still remember the IRC
log... That was violent.

Okay, so there's still the possibility that this isn't the same Cute
Kitsune. Somehow, I don't think so.

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[Brian Randall]

On 6/26/06, Cute Neko Hibiki <wbanks (AT) jam (DOT) rr.com> wrote:
>
> What did you expect from a teenage girl who flunked her english class, ny
> bestseller?

Genuine effort?

Oh, well.

And, one more thing.... If you're a teenager, doesn't that mean with
how long you've been posting to the list you started writing fanfics
at the age of around nine? Not that this is impossible, mind you, I'm
just curious.

And, one more thing.... Just to address someone else on this thread
.... isn't one reply enough? I mean ... really, now. Throwing fuel on
the fire doesn't quench it.

And, one more thing.... I've seen you get a lot of C&C over the
years, Fox, but I've (I'm sorry), never really seen any improvement
from you. Do you really want to improve, or do you just want to toss
out ideas? If the former, then I feel something is greviously wrong,
and you need to re-evaluate your efforts thus far. If the latter ...
why not give the addventure a shot? Their episodic content seems
suitable for the length of your fics in general.

Here's the URL for you:

http://addventure.bast-enterprises.de/

And, one more thing.... Since someone mentioned Jeff Rutch, I'll go
ahead and point out a project I've been working on for a while
(ironically, the next page in queue was going to be Lawson ... we
certainly got a monkey-wrench thrown into the gears of _that_
effort!):

http://soulriders.org/brian/archives/index.htm

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--
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kind grant from the Larry F foundation:
http://www.florestica.com/brandall/
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Haiku of my lament:

Forgive my spelling,
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[Angus MacSpon]

On 27/06/2006, at 10:40 AM, June Geraci wrote:

> Well, that was a complete waste of time to read...

Oh, I don't know ...





Ranma and Ryoga were walking down the road.

"Just think, Ryoga, ten more miles and we get to Jusenkyo!"
exclaimed Ranma.

"Yeah, and then I'll finally be free of the pig!" exclaimed Ryoga.

"And I'm ... I'll ... I ... don't know what I'll do, since I'm gonna
keep my curse," said Ranma.

"You are!?" asked Ryoga. "Why?!"

"So I can keep dating all those hot lesbians," said Ranma.

"Hey, good point," said Ryoga. "Hmmm ... maybe I should get a girl
curse too."

***

And then he woke up.

He sat bolt-upright in bed. His heart was pounding, his breath
coming in short gasps. Horrified sweat stood out on his brow.
[Where did _that_ come from?] he wondered furiously, looking around
as if afraid that the nightmare might come true. But the Bayankala
Mountains were gone; around him there was only the comforting
darkness of his room in the Tendo home, and the familiar rumble of
his father's breathing.

Ranma lay back down on his futon. Sleep was a long time in coming.

***

The idea was still bothering him the next morning as he went
downstairs for breakfast. Not that there was any chance of it ever
coming true, of course; nobody was more confident in his sexuality
than Ranma Saotome. But still ...

He was _definitely_ not happy to see Ryoga sitting at the table with
the Tendos, being fed rice, fish and miso soup by Kasumi. True, it
had been a while since the Lost Boy had made an appearance, and
Ranma had to admit that he was about due. But still.

They grunted at each other and ate in silence. Ranma fell into a
brown study, still morbidly replaying his dream in his mind, and
Ryoga showed no more inclination to chat. So breakfast passed
peacefully, for once; and all might have been well, if Akane had not
come in late, bid Ryoga a pleased hello, and asked him where he had
been.

"Oh ... er ... China," Ryoga stuttered, as tongue-tied around Akane
as ever.

The word jerked Ranma out of his reverie. "Oh, God, you haven't
been to Jusenkyo to get a lesbian curse, have you?" he blurted out.

Suddenly, he felt everyone staring at him.

"Uh. Wait. That was just a dream, though. Right?" Ranma gave a
nervous laugh, scratching the back of his head furiously.

The stares did not abate. Ryoga held his nose, his face suddenly
flushed.

"Lesbian curse?" inquired Akane.

"Oh, my," opined Kasumi.

Ranma felt driven to explain. "Yeah, me and Ryoga were going to
turn into Sailor Senshi and start dating hot lesbian chicks," he
said. In retrospect, this may have been a mistake. "Um, in the
dream," he added, rather too late.

Soun Tendo, his face bland, hitched himself a few inches further
away from Ranma.

"Dream!" Ryoga exclaimed in sudden relief. "That's right! This
must be a dream, because Ranma would never say that in real life.
Right? Here, hit me!" He grabbed Ranma's hand and pulled it up so
that the fingers gave his face a feeble tap. "It didn't hurt! So
this must be a dream!" he shouted triumphantly.

"That's right! It was a dream," said Ranma in relief. When he
glanced around once more, though, everyone was still staring at him.
Wildly, he cast about for a way to escape. Inspiration! "Hey,
P-chan, wanna go out to the dojo?" he asked. "Um, to spar."

Ryoga dropped his hand as if it were on fire. "Uh ... sorry," he
mumbled. "I, er, have to be going." He snatched up his backpack
and made a hasty exit, never taking his eyes off Ranma.

Ranma watched him go, disconcerted. "What was that about?" he
wondered aloud.

Nobody answered.

"Chya. Whatever," he muttered, suddenly tired of the staring. "I'm
going to do some training." He stomped out of the room.

***

Akane watched him go with a dazed air. "Dream?" she said. "Maybe
Ryoga was right. This must be a dream. But am I asleep, dreaming
that I'm awake, or am I awake, daydreaming that I'm asleep?"

Without looking up, Nabiki held out a hand. "Five hundred yen."


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Angus MacSpon" <macspon (AT) ihug (DOT) co.nz>
To: "FFML Bystanders" <ffml (AT) anifics (DOT) com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 5:16 AM
Subject: [FFML] Re: The New Lifestyle
> > Well, that was a complete waste of time to read...
>
> Oh, I don't know ...

*snip*

> Akane watched him go with a dazed air. "Dream?" she said. "Maybe
> Ryoga was right. This must be a dream. But am I asleep, dreaming
> that I'm awake, or am I awake, daydreaming that I'm asleep?"
>
> Without looking up, Nabiki held out a hand. "Five hundred yen."

Now *THAT* was *FUNNY*. Kaydee, I hope to God you're taking notes...

(Of course, seeing as CKK has now killfiled me under every single e-mail
address I use, even saying that much is pointless. :P)

(Yeah, that's right. She picked the last one off this morning--and didn't
even know it was me. *eyeroll* What a maroon.)

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[Angus MacSpon]

It occurs to me that I may have done Cute Neko Hibiki an injustice,
in "borrowing" the first few lines of her story and then continuing
with my own spamfic, without her permission.

Whatever the FFML's general feelings about CNH may be, I feel I may
have crossed a line here. If so, then I apologise unreservedly.

Angus

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[Gary Kleppe]

"David Taylor" <lumlydwt (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:
>utterly unnecessary flame...

I don't see any flame in that post, just some advice to the author on how to
improve his work.

> this was obviously a light-hearted spamfic not
>to be taken in any way seriously

That something is intended as comedy isn't an excuse for just slopping it
together. Writing good comedy takes as much thought and effort as writing good
drama does, and this author would do well to listen to the people who are trying
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[Gary Kleppe]

And I just got done saying that there were no flames.

"The Eternal Lost Lurker" <lurkerdrome (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:
>
>(Yeah, that's right. She picked the last one off this morning--and didn't
>even know it was me. *eyeroll* What a maroon.)

Just a reminder here, folks -- criticize this author's works as strongly as you
see fit, but please don't post insults or other personal attacks against him (or
against anyone else for that matter).


-Gary Kleppe, FFML Moderation Team
-not maroon, but sort of an off-white....

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[McClown]

Ya know.. if Ryoga-chan has a rack like that she would have a hell of a time
playing the guy as haruka.


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[Catseye]

Maybe... Just maybe English isn't her first language... But then we would
have to get the answer out of her... it would explain a few things though.
On 6/27/06, Torjones <torjones (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:
>
> Flunking your high school English class is nothing to be proud of. It
> should
> however be your clue that the universe is telling you "Hey You! Yeah, YOU!
> IMPROVE!"
>
> As to what readers, or potential readers, expect, is the same thing you
> expect when you open up a fanfic and start reading. we expect the author
> to
> use spell-check. we expect the author to proof-read. we expect the author
> to
> offer their best effort, and then edit the story until it's better than
> they
> thought they were capable of.
>
> Your spelling is acceptable. So is your grammar. Sentence structure is
> fine.
> The problem with the story in this case is that the story flow is rushed
> and
> disjointed. reading it was like watching a man have a seizure while
> driving
> down the freeway. Nobody else can see what's in your head. we can only see
> the scenes as they are written down. This is why we have editors, to call
> attention to these problems before people try to burn you at the literary
> pyre.
>
> ------Some stuff from another message------
>
> > The points that were brought up are as follows:
> > 1- You have Ranma and Ryoga both start chasing after lesbians before
> > going after each other. Why? Dare I suggest that this is a fetish of
> > yours that you wanted to quickly play out?
>
> I'm a lesbian.
>
> ***
> Nothing wrong with this here, but if it's going to be a fantasy thing,
> maybe
> you should offer some character development as to why two very macho
> hetero
> characters become, in essence, lesbians? One way this has been done well
> is
> Tatton Ranma by Hung Nguyen.
> ***
>
> > 2- There is no logical progression for them to go the direction you've
> > pointed them in.
>
> Ummm... there isn't?
>
> > 3- Both Ranma and Ryouga are wildly out of character. Unless you can
> > give some reason for them to do this, no one will accept it. If you've
> > read "They Outward Part", you may find some insight on how the author
> > takes a character and gets him to accept a situation which, under all
> > other circumstances, would be utterly out of character for him. Hell,
> > even a knock on the head giving them both amnesia would at least be
> > something.
>
> What is 'they outward part'?
>
> ***
> Thy Outward part is an excellent Ranma 1/2 fic by Richard Lawson that
> actually offers a great deal of character development to explain Ranma
> getting together with a guy after his curse is locked. see link section
> below.
> ***
> > In short, what you posted was an idea. Not a story. The idea should
> > either be considered the skeleton or perhaps the goal of the story. If
> > you take what you wrote and build a framework around it, you'll be going
> > the right direction.
>
> How?
> ***
> You do this a lot actually. what you need to do is fill in the spaces
> between the big events with details that help to explain how the
> characters
> got from one big event to the next. Ryoga is terminally shy around women.
> give us a scene or three where he gets over this, slowly. I don't know
> that
> Ranma would ever really consider taking up with Ryoga. show us a series of
> scenes that go from Ranma & Ryoga fighting every day to the True Love &
> Lustiness that Haruka & Michiru enjoy. Heck, why did Ranma agree to take
> Ryoga to Jusenkyo in the first place? Do they use the locking ladle to
> remain female, or do they keep the normal curses? do they ever have
> straight
> sex? Does one of them want to have a baby? These are questions that you
> can
> choose to answer in writing a story.
>
> I'm willing to offer private help with this, if you're willing to actually
> use it and write more than an outline.
> ***
>
> > If you want the rest of the FFML to take you seriously, you have to give
> > some thought to what you are trying to get across when you write
> > something.
> >
> > What is it you want the characters to do?
> > Why do you think the players would do something... especially if it is
> > out of character?
> > How will other characters react when someone does something? In many
> > cases, just getting to the goal is not enough. The conflict the
> > characters cause as you move them to the goal is often more important
> > than the goal itself.
>
> To all the above questions, I dunno.
>
> ***
> Then think on them, and write down the answers when you figure them out.
> incorporate those answers into the story that you write. A Journey is not
> about the destination, but the roads traveled to get there. it isn't
> "Often"
> more important, it is "always" more important. Watch any movie (not by Ed
> Wood), and you'll see an example of this. it goes from scene to scene,
> slowly building up, slowly telling a story. It doesn't feel like a 16 year
> old learning to drive stick, lurching from plot thread to plot thread.
> ***
>
> > FYI: Ranma and Ryoga becoming lesbian lovers has been done before. The
> > trick is not getting them together. It's getting them together in such a
> > way that the audience believe it could be possible.
>
> What's the url for this fic, please?
>
> ***
> There are, of course, a great many places to find great FanFics, both
> lemon
> and non-citrus. some great collections can be found as follows:
>
> http://www.florestics.com/ The Lost Library of Florestica - lots of great
> work here, Dark Phoenix, Josh Temple, and Jeffrey Vasquez are the top 3
> there IMO.
>
> http://ladycosmos.anifics.com/ Lady Cosmos' Fanfic Library - a very large
> collection of fanfiction, on a great variety of anime series.
>
> http://www.ranmafics.com/ Ranchan Totally Crossed Out! - really large
> collection of x-overs!
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~kmresponse/ranma_fanfic_categories.html/ Ranma
> Fanfic Categories - decent sized list of Ranma 1/2 fanfic organized by
> category.
>
> http://rakhal.com/FFIndex/lstmain.html/ - The Penultimate Ranma Fanfic
> Index - not as complete as it's title suggests, but still pretty darn big.
> nope, strike that, it's huge! months of reading material here!
>
> *****We now return to your regularly scheduled email.*****
>
> I've offered you encouragement before.
>
> I've offered suggestions on how to write better.
>
> Now, I'm challenging you to re-write this fragment to not less than 10,000
> words.
>
> *I* think you are capable of accomplishing this, the plot certainly is
> capable of withstanding it.
>
> The question is, do you want to have everyone continue to berate you, or
> do
> you want to throw it in their faces, standing proud of the work you've
> done
> when you get positive feedback praising your work, and nobody able to
> legitimately bash your writings? (some people are going to gripe just to
> gripe at this point) You can do better. Choose to do so.
>
> Now, what do *YOU* want?
>
> Torrey Jones,
> Gandalf The Green
>
> This is the price of freedom: Your last pint of blood, ounce of pain, drop
> of courage. Paid in advance. -- Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda
>
> -----Original Message-----
> > This could have been fun.
> >
> > Could have.
> >
> > Problem is, it was written without thought, without contemplation of
> > the choices possible.
>
> What did you expect from a teenage girl who flunked her english class, ny
> bestseller?
>
> http://kitsune.anifics.com/sig3.htm
>
>
>
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[The Eternal Lost Lurker]

> Maybe... Just maybe English isn't her first language...

No, it rather emphatically IS her first language. Her command of the
language is not the issue here. It's the *content*, not the con*TEXT*, of
her posts that is the problem.

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[Robyn, Duke of Amber]

On Tue, 27 Jun 2006, The Eternal Lost Lurker wrote:

> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:23:29 -0500
> From: The Eternal Lost Lurker <lurkerdrome (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net>
> To: Catseye <catseye528 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, Torjones <torjones (AT) cox (DOT) net>
> Cc: ffml (AT) anifics (DOT) com
> Subject: [FFML] Re: [Ranma] The New Lifestyle AKA: Gandalf's Challenge
>
> > Maybe... Just maybe English isn't her first language...
>
> No, it rather emphatically IS her first language. Her command of the
> language is not the issue here. It's the *content*, not the con*TEXT*, of
> her posts that is the problem.
>

Chanelling T.S. Elliot on a drinking binge with a acid tripping James
Joyce?
- with the "Autum of the Patriarch"'s punctuation


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[David McMillan]

Angus MacSpon wrote:
> On 27/06/2006, at 10:40 AM, June Geraci wrote:
>
>> Well, that was a complete waste of time to read...
>
> Oh, I don't know ...

<massive snippage>

"Yeah, me and Ryoga were going to go get lesbian curses..."

ROFTLMAO for ten seconds straight.

Angus, you are EVIL!!!


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